I'm sorry, but for me the game starts at 400 bhp. That's what I consider 'plenty of power.'

But then again, this is my 25-28 mpg (with the A/C on) daily driver....

I also use the trick 105° Crew Cab orifice tube in this factory R-134a system. Summer vent temps range around 33°-34°F.

Comfortable, nimble, great brakes and phenomenal passing potential...

But that just me.....

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership

There is really no need for enough power to do 175mph in the USA (sadly). So....the TDI does have "plenty" of power, since it will cruise at 90mph at around 2300rpm with ease getting 40+mpg...and plenty of acceleration is available.

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

My 240D got me around for three years including a trip to Atlanta and back, so I guess that could be called adequate, but I find being able to do the speed limit uphill a nice feature in my 300D. Anything more than that is just for fun really.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

I almost bought a Bluetec, very nice driving diesel as compared to the older 617s.
But I ask, what will it be like 30 years from now?
I owned three newer MBs with all their electronic Nannies and still prefer my '85 300SD that looks and drives as new.
DPF on the new diesels, "black death" due to leaking injector seals on the 05-06 CDIs. Plus the W211 SBC braking system... no thanks. I prefer to wrench the valves every so often and roll in a new timing chain than deal with a CEL.

I am looking at Sprinters also, but I want a second generation with the 6 cyl. Why does DPF scare you? Not being a smarta** just trying to learn.

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Brian
87 300Dturbo 180K #14 head still running R-12 SOLD 12/2017
02 F350 Powerstroke 180K
05 Chevy Express 1 ton w/Royal Utility box 120K
08 Infiniti FX-35 40K
15 Golf Sportwagen TDI 35K
10 Sprinter 3500 chassis with a Class A Winnebago on it. 56K

Well this escalated quickly.

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Unfortunately, a Mercedes-Benz diesel forum, isn't the fair place to bring stats on VWs. Especially when some of the MB diesel owners are armed with tons of data/facts blowing your VW out of the water.

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'06 E320 CDI
'17 Corvette Stingray Vert

X2 on the quick, but I don't know about the mileage. Daughter drives a 2012 model and the mileage is in the 20's, not the 40's like the newer diesels. Maybe she enjoys the quick too much?

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You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.

I'm not sure what data/facts are blowing VW diesels out of the water?

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Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

Yeah, but the problem is you're still in a Mustang!

I'd rather drive a Pinto on fire than a Mustang.

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Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat

I recondition w123/w126/w124/w140/r107/r129/ steering boxes!


1984 300D "Elsa" odo reset 6/2011 147k
1983 300TD "Mitzi" ~268k OM603 powered
1995 E300 "Adelheid" 262k [Sold]

I drove Mustangs for many years as a police officer. My fiorst was a 1990 SSP Interceptor with Woodlake PD in 1993. I liked it so much I bought a 1992.

My last was a 1999 I got brand new from the PD in 2000. I spent 10 years driving it and taught pursuit driving in it. I like the seating position, visibility, handling and braking of the SN 95 (1999-2004) cars.

I can out-turn much more powerful cars and destroyed my former bosses M5 through the corners.

They are a excellent car.

Have you driven the new Mustang Coyote 5.0 with VVT????

The power is unreal!!!!!

It pulls as hard as my Supercharged 4.6 litre!!!!!

P.S. Wife will be getting the gas supercharged Audi Q7...

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership

Oh thanks the stars....I wasn't the only person thinking that.....a ford is a ford, no matter how many horses are on it....

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I won more races in a Ford than any other marque....FWIW

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership

Two questions.

1) Why are you hating on diesels on a diesel forum?
2) If gassers are so great, why do you still own a diesel?

Diesels are a different type of motor and shouldn't be characterized in gasser terms, just like hybrids shouldn't be purely compared to EVs. If you want to pick a certain task, each type of motor is better suited for one thing or another, so pick the one that fits the best for what you want.

It has been a while since I have been around the forum, but remember you stirring up the pot back then too. The OP made a great purchase, is excited about it (as he should be), and you are the one flaming.

OMG..

Fact....Technology advances as time moves on. Costs to fix certain things on certain vehicles that are contemporary become less prohibitive in the future. This is an inevitability.

Congratulations on your diesel, man! It's a beautiful machine!

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1987 300SDL (324000)

1986 Porsche 951 (944 Turbo) (166000)

1978 Porsche 924 (99000)

1996 Nissan Pathfinder R50 (201000)