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328d or the e250?
Oh, God. Now I have to choose. I was just going to get the e250 but friend points out the new BMW. This is tough.
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The BMW just doesn't ride like the E250 in my opinion. Been in the BMW 328D. It doesn't compare.
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I'd be more likely to go with the 320i. It's six grand cheaper than the 328d and almost 19 cheaper than the E250. It also comes with a manual transmission, while the other two don't. Fuel economy isn't as good, but six thousand dollars buys a lot of gas. It's also a hundred and some pounds lighter than the 328 and nearly a thousand pounds lighter than the E250.
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A thousand pounds lighter, exactly. I'd rather have the E250. BMW = BuyMajorWarranty
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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life- '15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800) '17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k) '09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k) '13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k) '01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km) '16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k) |
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Bmw is soon to be, or maybe already is, selling the 3-series diesel wagon. I hated the bmw dealer for services, but I'd think it'd be a more reliable car than the MB.
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320i is a bargain compared to the other two and its also pretty damn efficient. The 328d is just a rebadged European marked 320d. In Europe they sell a 325d with 50 more HP than the 320d/328d. No manual transmission, no deal.
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+2. Look at the price differential between gasoline and diesel in the U.S. Here on the north side of DFW regular unleaded can be had for $2.89 while the best diesel price available is $3.59. At that differential, gasoline is less expensive on an energy equivalent basis (i.e. BTU/dollar). Of course, the BMW likely doesn't run on regular...
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According to the BMW website, they recommend premium.
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Even with premium gasoline, the difference in cost per mile between the 320i and 328d is negligible. Certainly it doesn't justify the huge cost of the diesel engine. I wish MB had the balls to sell a 4cyl gasoline engined E class in the US so we could have a fair comparison. Unfortunately the cost of emissions control has priced diesel engines in the US into a tiny nitch market. Hybrid systems keep getting cheaper while diesels keep getting more expensive.
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They don't need to sell the 4cyl gas (which would likely be the same engine as the CLA presently has) in the E class because the 4cyl diesel is already the lowest price E you can buy.
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Hmmmm, with a 3-series running up to an E-class (really the 5-series would be the competitor) why not really throw a wrench in your works here with a Passat TDi, big sedan (5 and E sized) available with a 6-speed manual, and really does get 45+ MPG.
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E200 (184hp) and E250 (211hp) gasoline engines are the cheapest E class models currently manufactured. This is the engine also found in the C class, not the CLA. The CLA has a different engine mounted sideways. Unfortunately MB lacks the testicular fortitude to bring that version of the E class to the USA.
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C-Class is more along the size and price lines of the 3-series, but all the U.S. market C-Class cars are gasser automatics. Only major problems with the Passat are wrong wheel drive and some questions about reliability.
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+2 for the Passat. I looked at MB and BMW diesel options, and ended up buying a Jetta, because a Passat diesel just wasn't available in my area at the time I was ready to trade. I would of had to travel or have the dealer bring one in. They offered me an amazing deal on my trade if I took the Jetta because it was already on the lot and it was a year end close out.
I have been happy with it so, far. Almost 10k for miles covered, it is getting 42mpg everyday and have had 0 problems thus far. I like the MB's and we have 2 older ones, but we just couldn't justify almost double the sticker price, of the nicely equipped Jetta. Sorry. Maybe those with thicker pocketbooks can justify it. My sister is looking at a Passat this weekend, although she isn't interested in the diesel option. Nice comfortable car. If I had to do it al over again, I'm not sure I would buy the diesel at all. There are too many gas engines that do mid 30's for MPG and as someone previously said, with gas at $2.85 and diesel at $3.59 in my area, the gas car getting mid 30's MPG is actually probably cheaper to drive, plus more than likely cheaper to purchase. I have been a diesel guy for over 20 years, but not sure they can really be justified anymore with higher fuel prices and all the emissions equipment the G has mandated. It really pains me to say that. |
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