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Old 11-28-2014, 11:59 AM
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240D refresh time

Edit: oops. I got my threads mixed up. Oh well I'll leave it.

I had two sets and was able reuse my flywheel bolts on my manual. The FSM gives specs for neck diameter. I went through my two sets and found enough that were still within tolerance. Judging that the ones that came off we're all different, someone didn't do it right.

I went through an ungodly amount of research on torque settings. I didn't want to stretch a used bolt too much. Turns out about 85 ft/lbs is equivalent to the stretch specs. No pun intended.

I've read they can match balance the auto to the flywheel. I'm no expert.

I believe the 240's and 300's are balanced differently? But I'm still learning. Is this what contributed to the lack of problems on a 240 flywheel.

I suspect the difference in results and opinions is due to the abilities of the machine shop. What I don't understand is although they are match balanced on a slow moving machine, how do they know how far out the balance is in respect to the radii.

Not exact figures as I don't want to break out a calculator. But say 5 grams taken off 2" inches from center and 7 grams off 4" from center will show the same balance.

Maybe that's where it goes wrong with a "match" balanced 28 lb flywheel?

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Old 12-01-2014, 08:03 PM
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I stopped by a Mercedes Indy shop across from the gym I go to this afternoon so I could inquire about match balancing the manual flywheel to the auto flex disk and the guy swears it isn't needed. Seeing that he had about 30 MB's ranging from the /8 up to the W210 and spoke in a very thick German accent I'm almost inclined to believe him but wanted to see what everyone else thought. He said on all of the conversions he has done he simply resurfaced the flywheel and put it on.
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Old 12-01-2014, 08:13 PM
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I wouldnt bother for a 616, just neutral balance if needed and resurfacing

617 different story
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:56 AM
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All my parts have arrived so I am now in the re-assembly process. I found a machine shop that checked the balance on the flex plate and found it was neutral along with the flywheel which I had resurfaced. Total cost for that was $85 which I thought was reasonable. So far I have the pilot bearing in, swapped over the engine adapter and installed the pedals.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:22 AM
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Soon you will be cruising!

Dont forget the not in park safety bypass. If your pedal cluster came with a neutral safety switch, you can direct wire
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:23 AM
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Some more progress today...

I still need to run the plumbing for the clutch as well as remove the automatic cooler lines and install the speedo cable from the parts car. If I was really motivated I could have it running again by this evening but I'm not

Does anyone have a picture of the shifter linkages? I took a picture but it was lost when I upgraded my phone a few months ago.





I found a centering tool at rock auto for $1.95 which fit perfectly.

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Old 12-21-2014, 04:18 AM
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Looks like the sex industry is diversifying into other special tools!

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Old 12-21-2014, 07:57 AM
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Looks like the sex industry is diversifying into other special tools!

(Sorry it has been a lonely December so far)
And I just choked on my coffee

Last night I finished running the lines from the clutch master cylinder into the brake master cylinder and down to where the line on the transmission will go and I swapped over the speedo cable since it is different between the auto and manual.

If I ever do another swap like this I need to label all bolts. I dumped everything into a box and figuring out which bolt goes where is taking the majority of my time at this point. Its been about 4 months since I took the parts car apart so my memory is a little fuzzy.
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Finished it all up this afternoon. If I had all the parts on hand I could have done the swap in a weekend. I only drove the car around the neighborhood since I needed to cook dinner for the family but I am very pleased with the results.



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Old 12-21-2014, 08:09 PM
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You will now never get in another mercedes without visions of manual swaps dancing through you head. The wagon is next i wager.

Almost zero difference in difficulty with that chassis for the same swap
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congratulations on the successful swap. that sure is a good feeling when you start her up, push in the clutch and she goes into gear, and each shift is smooth, and everything works. She should be a totally different car by the way she feels and drives.

I hope that rubber shift boot is better than the one I ordered. When cold, it was like a piece of Tupper Ware. Dang thing was stiff, made shifting harder and the thing would not stay under the edge of the shroud.

I found a black leather shift boot from a 95 Saab Convertible. (actually my wife found it, yes she goes to PNP with me....sometimes ) There is a plastic piece that snaps into the Saab Shroud. used that piece and modified the 240D plastic one used on the 80 240. Used some black shoe polish and it looks pretty good.

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"I found a centering tool at rock auto for $1.95 which fit perfectly."

would you happen to have a brand and part number for the centering tool?
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Old 12-22-2014, 05:48 AM
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You will now never get in another mercedes without visions of manual swaps dancing through you head. The wagon is next i wager.

Almost zero difference in difficulty with that chassis for the same swap
Oh believe me I really want to put a 5 speed in the wagon but the Mrs. can't drive a manual and she told me I'm not allowed to do that to "her wagon."

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congratulations on the successful swap. that sure is a good feeling when you start her up, push in the clutch and she goes into gear, and each shift is smooth, and everything works. She should be a totally different car by the way she feels and drives.

I hope that rubber shift boot is better than the one I ordered. When cold, it was like a piece of Tupper Ware. Dang thing was stiff, made shifting harder and the thing would not stay under the edge of the shroud.

I found a black leather shift boot from a 95 Saab Convertible. (actually my wife found it, yes she goes to PNP with me....sometimes ) There is a plastic piece that snaps into the Saab Shroud. used that piece and modified the 240D plastic one used on the 80 240. Used some black shoe polish and it looks pretty good.

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Bleeding the clutch was very simple using the reverse method of attaching a line to the right front caliper. I also took the time to change out the brake fluid since it needed to be done and I didn't want to have old fluid going thru new clutch parts.

The shifter boot is a new one from that place in AZ and it is a cheap Chinese part which I'm not thrilled about but its still better than the one that came from the parts car.

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"I found a centering tool at rock auto for $1.95 which fit perfectly."

would you happen to have a brand and part number for the centering tool?
Kelsey/Hayes CT4004 is what is on the sales order. It does say it is a toolmaker closeout so they might not have it anymore. I found it in their catalog under an 83 240D since that is what the transmission is out of. I have seen some reports of success using a tool from a mid 90's S-10 pickup as well.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:31 AM
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The shifter boot is a new one from that place in AZ and it is a cheap Chinese part which I'm not thrilled about but its still better than the one that came from the parts car.
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There are loads of leather versions out there for the same price as the plastic fantastic (I got one for my W201)
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:38 AM
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I drove the car about 10 miles last night and it really has some power. I still need to finish removing the old transmission cooler lines and replace the exhaust downpipe with my spare. I did notice a rumbling from the right rear in turns so I may have some other issues going on with the rear suspension. I still need to replace the subframe bushings which is ironically what started this thread...

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