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Old 01-29-2015, 04:22 PM
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w116 brake pad woes

Well I ordered some local Jurid brake pads for my 1980 w116 300SD.
My old caliper leaked all over and soaked the old pads, so I got new pads and a rebuilt Bendix caliper from Cardone.

Now after I received them I'm not so sure the pads will fit.

They are Jurid part number:571278J
and my car is not listed on the box, yet a lot of other Mercedes models are. No w116 is listed at all. These are 17.5mm and made in INDIA. They say they are for ATE calipers on the box.

A US competitor's site also lists these for my car but with part number:571278D.

The Jurid website only shows that one has a different "quality" number associated with it. I have no idea what that means. The Bendix branded pads seem to have a quality rating of 162 while others including some Jurid pads have quality rating of 630.

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So confusing.

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Old 01-29-2015, 05:40 PM
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The ATE and Bendix calipers "historically" took pads of different thicknesses (but same width and height).

There have been questions on this over the last year or two from people who find when looking for pads that now most suppliers seem to have standardized to the thinner variety that fits either caliper brand.

If your issue is the pad being too thick, then you probably got some old-stock that only fit one type of caliper. I never remember which caliper brand was thick vs. thin.
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:19 PM
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Yeah I have no idea. I guess I'll have to crack the box open and compare them with what's on it now which are MB pads. I keep reading that the Bendix took the larger pad and that the Bendix was the upgraded calipers back in the day. We shall see.
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:21 PM
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It just seems odd that Jurid-Bendix wouldn't state that their own pads were compatible with my Bendix calipers if they were compatible.
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:25 PM
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I did a quick cross-reference check with the OE Mercedes part number for Bendix front calipers on your car and it looks like you have the correct pads. The w116 and the w123 actually take the same front pads. Did not remember that.

However, I also saw a note on one other parts site that the use of Bendix calipers happened late in the production run for the w116 and it's an 'unusual' fitment.

So what I am going to warn you about, based on my own experiences with online shopping when I had the w116 SD, is that these cars often get lumped in with other models incorrectly in parts listings. The w116 SD was only sold for three years and not in huge numbers. On any make of car, that is a recipe for headaches at the parts counter. (I had a 1984 Volvo 760 Turbo, a half-year production model for MY 1984. I wish I had $20 for every time a parts guy, Volvo dealers included, told me there was no such car.)

When you get into VIN-number production splits for some parts, well that doesn't help matters.
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Old 01-31-2015, 01:38 PM
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I did a quick cross-reference check with the OE Mercedes part number for Bendix front calipers on your car and it looks like you have the correct pads. The w116 and the w123 actually take the same front pads. Did not remember that.

However, I also saw a note on one other parts site that the use of Bendix calipers happened late in the production run for the w116 and it's an 'unusual' fitment.

So what I am going to warn you about, based on my own experiences with online shopping when I had the w116 SD, is that these cars often get lumped in with other models incorrectly in parts listings. The w116 SD was only sold for three years and not in huge numbers. On any make of car, that is a recipe for headaches at the parts counter. (I had a 1984 Volvo 760 Turbo, a half-year production model for MY 1984. I wish I had $20 for every time a parts guy, Volvo dealers included, told me there was no such car.)

When you get into VIN-number production splits for some parts, well that doesn't help matters.
Yeah I noticed the same, the parts places are not always correct, I make sure to look up every part on Mercedes Benz of South Atlanta's website and make sure I'm getting the right thing. Or else I bug the local dealership and ask if it's the right part number.
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Old 01-31-2015, 01:47 PM
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These Jurid pads fit fine. They work really well. They stop super fast. I had Mercedes pads part number 000 420 95 20 on the car and they still had most of their pad material left they had unchamfered edges and a slot in the middle. The Jurid pads part#571278J have chamfered edges and a slot in the middle. The back is also rubberized to keep them from squeeling.

Mercedes pad:
89.75mm wide
backing plate 4.5mm thick
Overall thickness 15.3mm

Jurid pad:
89.9mm wide
Backing plate 5.7mm thick
Overall thickness 17.2mm

So even though they are 17.2mm, the backing plate is extra thick on these so the actual pad material isn't much thicker. Also lose lots of pad due to the chamfered edges, but I always found pads with chamfered edges perform better.

Anyway, they work great and fit fine.
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Old 01-31-2015, 02:01 PM
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When I drove Volvos, it was a good practice to chamfer the pad edges or you would have squealing a few months later. I have never bothered with it on Mercedes and I don't recall any pads I've seen having chamfered edges. And I haven't had any squealing issues with pads that I have installed.

The last set of ATE pads I put in were noisy for the first few hundred miles, but it was a grumble/roar, not a squeal. It went away.
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Old 02-14-2015, 11:21 PM
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Yeah it helps a bit to have the chamfer. The anti squeel coating or pad onthe back of the pad makes the biggest difference. Well, that and semi-metallic usually squeel a little. Anything with really good bite is going to be a little noisier in general or have the potential to.

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