BioD is a hard sell at $4 a gallon when DinoD is $2.50 and falling here. don't me wrong I love BioD but its not cost effective. if there was a BioD pump around here I'd put a splash in every week.

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1993 MB 300D 245K died.

OK, go ahead do your honework, "dig deep" and prove me wrong. I've done it and I don't see any way in which biodiesel is superior fuel to renewable diesel. But if you do, please go ahead and tell us that parameter along with the data to backup your statement. You're apparently well aware of all the data and research I've posted so far on the subject so half your work is already done. This should be easy for you.

Renewable diesel has:
* 8% higher energy density than biodiesel and 5% lower than #2 (although that can be safely conpensated for with more timing)
* much higher cetane than biodiesel
* flows at much lower tempererature than biodieisel or slightly lower temp than #2 diesel and similar cold flow to #1
* meets euro spect 460 micron lubricity
* much lower NOx emissions than biodiesel or #2 (part of the reason the state is claming down on biodielse)
* slightly lower HC emissions than biodiesel and much lower #2
* unlike biodiesel renewable diesel can be mixed in any concentratration with #2 and run in any engine (new or old) without any limitation
* unlimited shelf life
* renewable diesel can be manufatured in existing petroleum facilities and delivered through existing infrastructure. Biodiesel can not.

If you think I missed anything tell me what it is.

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no comment on the politics but i would like to know, where are the aftermarket universal particulate filters and urea catalyzers? if these are working well on all current production diesels, some of us might electively install them for legal cover or other reasons.

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'77 240D, 504H, OM617.952, etc.

This bus would get along much better and use less fuel with a modern tier 2 or better repower. The GM 2 stroke diesel is a hugely polluting engine, glad to see it go.

Add on emissions devices might come around but the problem is making sure they actually do something on a wide range of vehicles / engines.

Those that think no emission controls should be used need to look at pictures of LA in the late 50's or talk to someone that lived there then. ( Or even go to major cities in China. )

Renewable diesel (98% concentration) is between $2.80-$3 per gallon here. Its priced to compete directly with straight #2. The state has setup a market where petroleum manufacturers are required to subsidize renewable diesel and offer pump space at existing stations (Chevron, 76 etc). Its a shame other states don't have similar laws.

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The only issue I am aware of I got second hand, on this site... Bio-D is far better at lubricity... In nearly any concentration it improves any diesel fuel well above the lubricity specs of all diesel injection pumps. The hpvDiesel renewable whatever... Is smooth, and inexpensive, but nowhere near as lubricious... So, that should qualify as a point where it is not "far superior in every way"...

That said... I really wish it was available here.

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My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 560SL convertible
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

No pumps here in Virginia and I've looked.

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1993 MB 300D 245K died.

Is Propel the only name in this market? They only seem to be out in California.

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1984 300D 240k Petrol Green Auto
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"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Neste oil from Finland is the manufacturer and they call the product "Nexbtl". Propel Fuels and Golden Gate fuels are the distributors in California, there might be others in other parts of the country. Without a renewable fuels mandate in your state you are unlikely to find it at this point. They are setting up more production on the Gulf coast but that won't be online for a couple of years.

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I don't know about what its like in California, but up here legislation like that would be a waste of time. I doubt you could even find a two stroke diesel on the road up near me. They've all long since been replaced by newer trucks. I've always thought legislation like this hurts the few without really helping the many. I fully support forcing newer engines to be cleaner and greener, that makes sense. To force the odd individual who still makes his living from a truck that he has had since the dawn of time seems wrong and unnecessary.

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2004 F150 4.6L -My Daily
2007 Volvo XC70 -Wife's Daily
1998 Ford F150 -Rear ended
1989 J-spec 420SEL -passed onto its new keeper
1982 BMW 733i -fixed and traded for the 420SEL
2003 Volvo V70 5 Speed -scrapped
1997 E290 Turbo Diesel Wagon -traded for above
1992 BMW 525i -traded in
1990 Silver 300TE -hated the M103
1985 Grey 380SE Diesel Conversion, 2.47 rear end, ABS -Sold, really should have kept this one
1979 Silver 300D "The Silver Slug" -Sold

Looks and sounds good to me. A 12V71 would be even better. As few of these as there are left on the roads, I wouldn't worry about the pollution aspect. Besides, I've seen plenty of late model brodozers smoking as much or more.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

My experience with the old 2-stroke Detroit Diesels has been that they are rather limited in current usage. There is an extremely small minority of the RV community called "schoolies" who renovate school buses into motorhomes. Some of them are professionally done, however the majority are cobbled together. I rarely see any of them at any RV parks, possibly because they are limited to 55mph due to gearing.

There is also a small minority of professionally-built bus motorhome conversions that are still on the road, although I rarely see them either.

Here's one couple that shares their story of a professional bus conversion and later the rebuild of their 2-stroke Detroit engine:

Technomadia's Home: GM PD 4106 Vintage Bus Conversion | Technomadia

I got to ride on a bus in Canada for whitewater river rafting that had a Detroit engine.

Farmers use them due to their massive amounts of torque and they could be economical for very short hauls.

Church groups use them for field trips and many of them end up in Mexico to be used for commercial transport.

I really don't see any of these groups using them enough to cause any issues with air pollution. This is simply Agenda 21. I think in real life they will be coming down on the little guy who has been using the same truck for a long time, while favoring big business that can afford to buy new DEF diesel technology and rack up enough miles to justify the cost.

Dkr.

"Come to "Kali". Under the terrible tyrany of CARB we have cheap 56 cetane conventional diesel and cheap 75 cetane renewable diesel made from plan and animal fats that puts biodiesel to shame in every way. both burn substantially cleaner and quieter than diesel fuel I've bought outside the state. "

Where are you buying your renewable diesel fuel in California?

My experience is that many other states have put us well-beat in terms of biodiesel. There's a very tiny amount of B20 stations available. They seem to regularly have supply or pump issues and/or not be available when I happen to be there with an empty tank.

There is a bio co-op in Torrance (still operating AFIK) that was charging around $4.00/gallon after you pay the $300 membership fee. I would have bought fuel from them but not with the startup cost as I don't live in that area.

Xtreme Biodiesel in Riverside stopped selling B99 to the public years ago. They started getting a lot of fleet business and no longer had time for the common folk.

I've seen a few other legitimate operations as well as a bunch of people who sell WVO on Craigslist.

If you know of anything better, I would love to see it.

And if you think CARB or the EPA is going to do anything positive for diesel owners other than take away our cars, you are a dreamer.

Dkr.

I e-mailed the guy who wrote the CL ad response to see what he had to say. My understanding is that all of this regulation (at this point) is just for COMMERCIAL diesel vehicles. The guy who wrote the ad says that the Detroits are commercial diesel vehicles because they were originally registered as buses although I don't believe the California DMV sees it that way. These are specifically mentioned as non-commercial vehicles on the DMV website:

Housecars or Motorhomes (CVC ｧｧ260, 362)

A motor vehicle originally designed or permanently- altered and equipped for human habitation.

Note: Truck tractors as defined in CVC ｧ655 that have been:

Initially manufactured.
Modified by a second stage manufacturer.
Otherwise altered to include living quarters,
are considered commercial vehicles under CVC ｧ260, unless the living quarters permanently prevent the truck tractor from towing or drawing other vehicles.

Trailer Coaches

Trailer coaches may transport property, but are designed primarily for human habitation or human occupancy.

Dkr.

http://propelfuels.com/locations


See the HPR thread, plenty of info has already been posted there. Renewable diesel is NOT biodiesel. The only reason California has very high cetane #2 diesel and renewable diesel available is a direct result of CARB and to a much smaller extent the EPA. The oil companies arent doing it out of the goodness of their heart... LOL.

Biodiesel is being phased out of California because it produces too much NOx emissions and is NOT compatible with all diesel engines in high blend ratios. Other states have chosen to ignore these and other problems with biodiesel and went full retard in that direction. They put 2-20% biodiesel in all their fuel and say look at us we're doing stuff. Thats a shame when much cleaner burning, more energy dense, more cold tolerant, longer shelf life and much higher cetane fuels exist like HVO (renewable diesel) GTL (Fischer–Tropsch) and BTL.

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