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Old 12-10-2015, 12:04 PM
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A lot of the storms do come down from Oregon and into northern Ca and go east into Nv.
Since we are on the east side of the Sierra Nevada Mt`s, the wind really picks up speed and can blow here in the high desert.

Not sure where this storm is coming from direction wise, but it will be a goodie for sure.
Haven`t lost power or the Satellite Internet...yet. If you are thinking of Hughes net....don`t. crappy internet.
The winds out here I think blow the satellite out of orbit sometimes .



The National Weather Service has issued a high wind warning from midnight tonight to 4 p.m. Thursday for the Reno-Carson City-Minden areas.

* Winds: south to southwest 30 to 45 mph with gusts up to 65 mph. Wind gusts of 70 to 80 mph are possible along wind prone locations especially along the Highway 395 and I-580 corridors.

Note: this is between Carson City and Reno, it will lay big rigs over like they were a leaf in the wind.

Timing: snow will move into the Lake Tahoe Basin late tonight with heavy snowfall by Thursday morning. Snow will decrease by Thursday evening with snow showers lingering into Friday morning.
Snow accumulations: above 7,000 feet, 1 to 2 feet with locally up to 3 feet near the Sierra crest. Below 7,000 feet, 7 to 14 inches except 12 to 18 inches west of Highway 89.
Winds: strong winds are expected tonight into Thursday Morning. Southwest 30 to 45 mph with gusts up to 65 mph ridge gusts up to 125 mph. Damage to trees is possible
Snow levels: 8,000 to 8,500 feet tonight then falling to below 5,500 feet by early Thursday afternoon
snow and blowing snow with whiteout conditions and icy roads. Snowfall rates will exceed plowing capabilities at times. This includes Interstate 80, Highway 50, California Highways 88, 89, 267 and Nevada Highways 28, 207 and 431. Significant delays and dangerous winter weather conditions possible for back country activities


So looks like we are in for it for a few days. a couple nights are to get down to 11 and 16 degrees. We are at the 5260 ft elevation.
See if I can get the wood stove to warm the shop enough to work on the car....but it won`t be in those low temps.

yeah the wind blew about every car I have ever owned on the road.
My old Datsun PU blew it around a bit. seems the harder it blows, the faster they drive.
There have been times I have the wheel turned into the wind to go straight.


Charlie

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2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

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Old 12-10-2015, 12:04 PM
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Barry mentioned a rebuilder

Did you not feel the urge to try and rebuild the calipers yourself?

Or were hopeful for a quick solution?
I did not mention this because the reality is many if not most people just do not have the time. In the scramble for the dollar and all the complications of modern life. There just does not seem to be enough of it for far too many.

Reflecting on this. Current members may be some of the last generations that will be doing much work on their cars. It also is of no help at all that they are becoming more complex all the time.

My price quoted for having a caliper locally rebuilt was up here in Canada where it makes a lot more sense. We do not have easy access to these cars calipers at anywhere near American prices.

Plus even availability is getting thin. Shipping is also getting very high to get them delivered from the United States. Plus if they want a core back it makes it a disaster.

American local rebuilds may be cheaper there as well. Plus it is just not the newer cars but many things that seem to break today are far more difficult than in the past to deal with ourselves.

I also look for opportunities for any younger member needing a dollar. If shipping in the states is bearable. Get some cheap cores from auto wreckers and rebuilt a stock to sell to members.

Equipment wise it is pretty economical and not extremely difficult to work on. Others are doing it on some items. Who knows how busy you might become as word spread and you catered to more brands. Might even blow a mortgage away if you had one.

After spending yesterday out Christmas shopping with the wife. She had been telling me it is getting to be a pretty expensive world out there in general. I am now much more of a believer. Normally she takes care of almost all these things herself.
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Old 12-10-2015, 02:55 PM
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Makes me want to just rebuild my existing caliper, assuming there are kits for that. I did that long ago on a 1982 U.S. car, but I can get rebuilt calipers today for my U.S. vehicles for $25 ea. I had no idea M-B calipers were so proud.

Caliper problems seem common. I found the spare wheel was binding on the front caliper in my 2002 T&C during a roadside repair (had to put spare on rear). It seemed the caliper was slightly too large. I later found that mine w/ AWD & towing package has a different caliper and is supposed to have a full-size spare, not the emergency spare the used car dealer put in. Isn't easy to find this type of info.
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:56 PM
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I have the exact caliper mentioned in the op on my 82 right now.

Front right caliper on my 82 300d

Old one was sticking on, sourced a replacement from oriellys, went to put it on, and it didnt fit.

I had about 3 days before I needed to leave on a 2000 mile (round trip) road trip.

I took the angle grinder to the caliper where it was binding, got everything rolling freely, and it works great.

Dont get me wrong, modifying parts is the last thing I want to be doing, especially brand new parts, or brake parts for that matter, but I couldn't get a working caliper in time.

Brakes are great, think I need new rotors next, theres some odd vibration from the rear (its always been there though), ruled tires, wheels, and axles/cvs out.

I will likely replace rotors and rear calipers soon after we get back home.
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:04 AM
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Were those O`Reilly calipers gold color with a number in the casting like 19338 and 19339?
The area you ground down was it right where it is closest to the hat part of the rotor?

That is where they were tight against the Rotor.

I finally took them back to O`Rilly`s and got my money back. Now it is the problem with the Cores I gave them.
They don`t have them, and I need them for a core when ordering from the next vendor.
Which I did today from NAPA, their core charge is $37 X 2.
They should be in on Tuesday.

You are in Tenn and Iam in Nev and can`t get the right Calipers, wonder how many other 123 owners have had this problem?


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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:29 AM
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This is turning into a nightmare.

Are the first lot going to pay your core charge with the second lot?
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:08 PM
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This is going to be interesting because I ordered calipers for my '92 300D from the parts store that starts with a big "O", and I told the guy at the counter that when they come in if they don't have Ate, Bendix, or Lucas Girling stamped on them, he could send them back.

They came in today and when I picked them up the counter guy and I pulled them out of the box to check and the front had the Girling name on them and a Mercedes star emblazoned on one side, and they looked like a good reman. We then pulled the rears out of the box, and you could see the words Ate stamped on them, although it was faint on one caliper, and they also looked decent. Not doing the job till next week.....so we will see.

One thing I wondered about Charlie was whether you were using OEM rotors and pads and whether that might make a difference with the caliper you bot? I did buy OEM for the rotors and pads part of the job.
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Old 12-12-2015, 02:36 AM
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I did not change the Rotor, I was just replacing the Caliper. And I did not
install the Brake Pads.

I bolted on the Caliper, and tried to turn the Rotor, and it would not turn.
The caliper was up against the hat part of the Rotor very tight.

I found this thread doing a Google search of the caliper part # 19-339.

I saw this picture and it is exactly like what it looks like on my 240D. thought it came out of my camera.

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You can see the scrape mark in the rust of the hat part of the Rotor.
That is the same gold Caliper they sold me.
I found this in the following thread.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/366194-wrong-caliper-binding-rotor-hub-ate-123-1980-a.html

You should not have to grind off any metal to modify the Caliper to fit.
It should fit right out of the box.

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
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Old 12-12-2015, 09:46 AM
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Charlie, of my 2 MBZ's that are daily drivers, I rebuild all my MBZ brake calipers. Not a hard job. Kits are readily available. I believe the last I did was the w126 and the full kit was @ $25 each. Brake calipers is 1 thing I hang onto, to have a ready spare available.
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:01 AM
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I did not change the Rotor, I was just replacing the Caliper. And I did not
install the Brake Pads.

I bolted on the Caliper, and tried to turn the Rotor, and it would not turn.
The caliper was up against the hat part of the Rotor very tight.

I found this thread doing a Google search of the caliper part # 19-339.

I saw this picture and it is exactly like what it looks like on my 240D. thought it came out of my camera.

Attached Thumbnails


You can see the scrape mark in the rust of the hat part of the Rotor.
That is the same gold Caliper they sold me.
I found this in the following thread.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/366194-wrong-caliper-binding-rotor-hub-ate-123-1980-a.html

You should not have to grind off any metal to modify the Caliper to fit.
It should fit right out of the box.

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That's just bloody ridiculous.

There's no way that's going to work.

They must be using halves from another design or car to try and cut down on manufacturing trauma...
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Old 12-12-2015, 11:22 AM
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I rebuilt calipers for my '80 coupe - it came with Bendix calipers but I have only found kits for ATE so I got some decent looking ATE's at the junkyard and then bought rebuild kits from this site. Did not split the calipeers open but used plenty of brake cleaner and compressed air to clean them up and used a little dab of Dow-Corning high vacuum grease to coat the pistons and seals. Replaced the flexible brake lines, too. This fix was a bit time consuming but seems to have worked out well. Most difficult part was bleeding - that became very frustrating. I finallt rigged up a way to bleed the MC by cutting off short some of the hard lines that exit the MC (spare, from junkyard) and had them dumping right back into the resevoir.
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Old 12-12-2015, 03:14 PM
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That's just bloody ridiculous.

There's no way that's going to work.

They must be using halves from another design or car to try and cut down on manufacturing trauma...
I have seen this problem posted a few times now. I am beginning to think these are new castings and they just didn't get the mold correct. Might be something we'll see often in the future when rebuildable cores are not available.

Thanks Charlie posting this. Too bad you had to go through this though.
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Old 12-12-2015, 03:38 PM
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Glad I saw this. I was thinking of going to Ohreally?, but decided to rebuild mine. I just bought the kits, Brand, Fahrzeug Technik Ebern (FTE).

Part number for 123, Bendix front caliper rebuild kit.

001 586 11 42
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:40 PM
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I have a big box with calipers in it from cars parted out years ago. I rarely ever have any trouble with calipers despite the age of the 123 chassis. If I had a bad one today I'd go to my box and pull one out for the correct side of the car and check it with a c clamp to me sure it is not seized. Then I'd bolt it on and see if it works. I'd bet a beer it will. The OE build quality on these 123 cars is not to be believed.
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Old 12-13-2015, 01:18 AM
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Charlie, I had the exact SAME experience with a caliper I bought from AutoZoo! Bought it, took it home, didn't get around to installing it right away... by the time I did I found to my dismay that the caliper rubbed against the disk! The difference was, in my case it was too late to return it, so I missed out on all the interaction with the non-helpful staff. I looked at that piece of junk and thought, "Well, I could spend an hour filing this thing down, or I could go to the place that specializes in German car parts... get in the car." Ended up buying a whole 'nother caliper, and the useless one still sits under the workbench in the garage for the day when somebody needs a core.

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