The fact that you would actually type such a statement pretty much explains everything about you to everyone here, bro.

Mike

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tsk tsk . . . are we on the road to personal attacks again?

yeh, i think he missed the rest of the Iraqi elections thread.. too bad.

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What does it say of a person's judgement that he sees no difference between an elected, term-limited leader of a democratic country and a self-appointed (oh wait, 99% of Iraq voted for Saddam, I forgot!), mass-murdering, expansionist dictator who threw political opponents into acid vats and limb chippers.

Concerning the origin of WMD, its beyond dispute: USSR. ALL we ever supplied Saddam was communications gear, ag technology and some industrial technology. It total, military assistance was less than $100M dollars (I think it was like $30M).

His favorite suppliers after the USSR were: (guess).

I'm gonna take a stab....ummmmmm France?

Ding-ding-ding, we have a winner, folks!

sure, and his Mercedes Unimogs came from where?

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Third place was Yugoslavia.

The fourth place supplier was Germany.

I think that Italy was fith or sixth. Millions of landmines.

Not sure after that.

American foreign policy was not kept out of the loop, we designed the loop:

In 1980, the US Defense Intelligence Agency reported that Iraq had been actively acquiring chemical weapons capacities since the mid-1970s.

A National Security Decision Directive issued in June 1982 stated that the US would do whatever was necessary to prevent Iraq from losing its war against Iran.

Following the Directive, President Reagan removed Iraq from the State Dept. list of terrorist sponors. This meant that Iraq was now eligible for US dual-use and military technology.

Subsequently, a very close relationship between the Reagan administrations and Saddam Hussein began. The US actively supported Iraq, supplying billions of dollars of credits, US military intelligence and advice, and ensuring that necessary weaponry got to Iraq.

In 1983, the State Deptarment once again reported that Iraq was continuing to support terrorist groups. In addition they informed the administration that Iraq had been using chemical weapons against Iranian troops since 1982, and the use increased in 1983. Despite this information, the Secretaries of Commerce and State pressured the National Security Council to approve the sale to Iraq of Bell helicopters "for crop dusting."

In late 1983, Reagan secretly allowed Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, to transfer US weapons to Iraq; Reagan also asked the Italian prime minister to channel arms to Iraq.

The Washington Post (in an article in Dec.1986 by Bob Woodward) reported that in 1984 the CIA began secretly giving information to Iraqi intelligence to help them "calibrate" poison gas attacks against Iranian troops.

The CIA established direct intelligence links with Baghdad in 1985, and began giving Iraq "data from sensitive US satellite reconnaissance photography" to help in the war. This same year, the US House of Representatives passed a bill to put Iraq back on State Dept. supporters of terrorism list. The Reagan administration -- in the person of Secretary of State George Schultz -- pressured the bill's sponsor to drop it the bill. The bill is dropped, and Iraq remains off the terrorist list.

Between 1985-1990 the Commerce Dept. approved the sale of many computers to Iraq's weapons lab. (The UN inspectors in 1991 found that 40% of the equipment in Iraq's weapons lab were of US origin)

In 1985 the Reagan administration approved the export to Iraq of biological cultures that are precursors to bioweapons: anthrax, botulism, etc.; these cultures were "not attenuated or weakened, and were capable of reproduction." There were over 70 shipments of such cultures between 1985-1988. The Bush (GHWB) administration also authorized an additional 8 shipments of biological cultures that the Center for Disease Control classified as "having biological warfare significance." This information comes from the Senate Banking Committee's report from 1994. The report stated that "these microorganisms exported by the US were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."

The Reagan administration's Commerce Dept. approved exports to Iraq's SCUD missile program; it was these exports that allowed the extension of the SCUDs' range so that in 1991 they were able to reach Israel and US bases in Saudi Arabia.

In March 1988, the Financial Times of London reported that Saddam had recently used chemical weapons against Kurds in Halabja, using US helicopters bought in 1983.

Two months later, an Asst. Secretary of State pushed for more US-Iraq economic cooperation.

In September of that year, Reagan prevented the Senate from putting sanctions on Iraq for its violation of the Geneva Protocol on Chemical Weapons.

The US also voted against a UN Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons.

In March 1989, the CIA director reported to Congress that Iraq was the largest chemical weapons producer in the world.

The State Dept reported that Iraq continued to develop chemical and biological weapons, as well as new missiles

The Bush administration that year approved dozens of export licenses for sophisticated dual-use equipment to Iraq's weapons ministry.

In October, international banks cut off all loans to Iraq. The Bush administration responded by issuing National Security Directive 26, which mandated closer links with Iraq, and included a $1 billion loan guarantee.
This loan guarantee freed up cash for Iraq to buy and develop WMDs.

This directive was suspended only on August 2, 1990, the day Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Once again, we have the right wing bully-boy squad, HauptFurhers Botsnst and Mikemover reporting for duty. Instead of insulting me, perhaps you should just stick to the issue, like how murdering a housefull of people with a crusie missle barrage out of nowhere as you invade their country on false, trumped up charges, is any different than putting them is a wood chipper? This war is mass murder, pure and simple, carried out by evil men, no different in their evil aims than Saddam was.

Perhaps that is correct pre-80's . . . but what about after that?

Sorry, when did I insult you? I certainly didn't think that it was an isult to ask that question. If so, explain how, please.

And please, I don't think that ol' Nazi thing is especially funny, do you?

When did the USSR fall?

The gov of the USA was never close to Saddam, that's just p[lain untrue. We did offer comm gear and bought oil like crazy (hence, the 'credits') and some intel on Iranian troop deployment. That's about it.

Unless you suppose a conspiracy involving hidden CIA funding and supplies, always a possibility and one reason that I don't lile hidden budgets in gov. It always leaves that doubt.

B

Got this in an e-mail.
WONDER WHY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS? If you use this link [

http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/phantom_fury/flash.htm ]

USA Today website you will be treated to a flash presentation of several
pictures taken during the siege of Fallujah. Picture number two in this
presentation shows 40 vials in boxes labeled "Sarin." That's sarin gas, my
friends. One drop of this stuff on your skin can kill you. The boxes
have Cyrillic and German characters on them, indicating they may have come
from our good friends the Russians or the Germans. The caption under the
photo reads "Marines discovered 40 vials of suspected Sarin gas while
searching a house in Fallujah, Iraq. It was secreted in a briefcase hidden
in a
truck in the courtyard of the house." So ... there you go. Weapons of mass
destruction. Chemical weapons. This Sarin gas could, with an effective
application, kill thousands. And where do they find it? In a briefcase!
A briefcase in a car trunk. And you wonder why our troops have had some
difficulty finding Saddam's weapons? You still think inspections could have
worked? Yeah, sure they would.
The inspectors were going to look in every car trunk and every briefcase in
Iraq. What you see in that picture is proof that the only way to even
come close to neutralizing the threat that Saddam posed was to remove him
from power.
Nothing else was going to work.

Meanwhile ... just watch the critics whistle past this one. If you don't
mention the vials of Sarin gas, they just don't exist ... do they?

No $hit!

Halliburton planted it.