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MTI · #1 04-19-2012, 04:00 PM

At $22-$60 Per Bulb

Well, they do last 20 years and save about $8 per year compared to a 60W incandecent.

For $25, or even $35, the bulb looks like a good investment compared to an incandescent bulb. It uses only 10 watts of power, meaning saves about $8 per year in electricity if it's used four hours a day. It's expected to last at least 30,000 hours, or 30 times longer than an incandescent. At four hours per day, that's 20 years.

The part of the story that was "shocking" was the ban on 40W and higher incandecents in 2014.

pj67coll · #2 04-19-2012, 04:29 PM

Guess I'm going to have to stock up on as many proper light bulbs as possible before were stuck with this.

- Peter.

spdrun · #3 04-19-2012, 04:37 PM

Most good lamps cost ~$100 anyway -- if LED technology was incorporated into the lamp design itself and it could last years, the cost difference would be minor. "Light bulbs" are an accident of history. Assuming that this can deliver a full spectrum of light, why not give it a try instead of fearing the new?

MTI · #4 04-19-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Guess I'm going to have to stock up on as many proper light bulbs as possible before were stuck with this.

- Peter.

pssst . . . want some 150w . . . I got three ways too . . .

Actually, I will admit that I have a rather large case lot of 150W floods since they were the bulbs used in the high ceilings of the house. We tried CFLs way up there, but not only did they take a long time to get up to full brightness, even then they barely illuminated the rooms.

pj67coll · #5 04-19-2012, 06:48 PM

Actually I am going to give it a try now that I've done a double take. Hopefully it will be better than the dreadful things I just bought to use in our bathroom. We re-did one bathroom and had this six bulb fixture with the old bulbs in it. We figured we'd upgrade so I bought six new ones. I guess they are mercury vapor ones or whatever the new stuff is. Supposedly more "natural" and energy efficient. It was like standing in a nuclear explosion when they were turned on. So I packed them back in their box and re-installed the older softer lights.

Hopefully these LED ones won't be like that. I don't mind it being more efficient, thats fine, I just dont like the idea of being in a sci-fi horror event.

- Peter.

Carleton Hughes · #6 04-19-2012, 07:02 PM

Nobody likes change, least of all me..Yet I'm willing to try the new stuff and have replaced many ordinary bulbs with fluorescents...and despite the different light values the economic values have proved themselves....

Dubyagee · #7 04-19-2012, 07:19 PM

I love being told what to buy from the government. Cant compete? Get the government to slant the market for favors.

Lighting Legislation - Grainger Industrial Supply

"The U.S. Department of Energy has announced new energy-efficiency legislation that will impact the manufacture of incandescent light bulbs, linear and U-shaped fluorescent lamps, and PAR lamps. For fluorescent and PAR lamps, the legislation goes into effect on July 14, 2012. After this date, most T12 and many T8 and PAR lamps will no longer be manufactured."

JiveTurkey · #8 04-19-2012, 08:09 PM

For ****s sake this is too much! When will Americans rise from their delerium and rebel against this level of government interference in our lives? The future keeps looking bleaker. I can understand having to stock up on my R12 etc but I'm going to have to go out now and buy a ton of normal lightbulbs so I don't get stuck with these turfs from Phillips. Actually I'm going to go reread 1984. I'm scared.

spdrun · #9 04-19-2012, 08:36 PM

I agree, they're doing it wrong. Want to save on fossil fuel use? Then tax the f**k out of dirty coal, gas, and oil energy so that it's more expensive than good sources like nuke, renewable, and hydro. Use the tax revenue to subsidize the adoption of clean power production technologies.

Dubyagee · #10 04-19-2012, 08:45 PM

Yeah, Boots on the neck works everytime. Tax our way to prosperity. Regulate our way back to the garden man.

spdrun · #11 04-19-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

Yeah, Boots on the neck works everytime. Tax our way to prosperity. Regulate our way back to the garden man.

Better a tax than an outright ban. If you have your own solar panels or wind turbines that completely power your house, why should efficiency matter to anyone but you? USAGE of dirty power should be taxed. The way that reduced consumption of said dirty power is achieved should be left 100% up to the market.

Dubyagee · #12 04-19-2012, 08:59 PM

"Dirty power" should have real competition in a level market. Nuke power or "Cleaner power" should be priced to threaten oil based power. Not taxed or regulated into position. The real issue is the lobbyists and the wallet riding politicians.

China is continuing to produce incandescent bulbs and are building 30 nuclear power plants while ours go outdated due to regulation.

spdrun · #13 04-19-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

"Dirty power" should have real competition in a level market. Nuke power or "Cleaner power" should be priced to threaten oil based power. Not taxed or regulated into position. The real issue is the lobbyists and the wallet riding politicians.

China is continuing to produce incandescent bulbs and are building 30 nuclear power plants while ours go outdated due to regulation.

The problem isn't oil so much as cheap coal-based power that relies on the rape of Appalachia (see also: mountaintop removal). In an ideal world, the criminals responsible for the mountaintop removal would have been strung up and flung down an abandoned mine shaft long ago.

Mike D · #14 04-20-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

. I guess they are mercury vapor ones or whatever the new stuff is. Supposedly more "natural" and energy efficient. It was like standing in a nuclear explosion when they were turned on. So I packed them back in their box and re-installed the older softer lights.

- Peter.

Nah, you just got the "Phoenix" version of "natural light" bulbs. You know, like when you open the front door on a June afternoon and the sun sears the flesh from your face and penetrates your bones.

You need to look for the "London" or "San Fransisco" versions. Much less intense but the colors all seem weird.

rs899 · #15 04-20-2012, 09:46 AM

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The part of the story that was "shocking" was the ban on 40W and higher incandecents in 2014.

I think my Lava lamp is a 40 watter. Better get a few. Apart from that, good riddance. We have been using CFLs for about 5 years. I think they are fine- they really decrease the heat load noticeably when the AC is on, which is a lot. LEDs will be better when they get down the price power curve...