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Old 08-21-2005, 10:03 AM
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I admit China is starting to scare me.

http://www.halturnershow.com/ChineseDefenseMinisterTalksWarAgainstUS.html


Very long speech, and very Hitleresque.

It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths. But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party. That is because, after all, we are Chinese and members of the CCP. Since the day we joined the CCP, the Party’s life has always been above all else! History will prove that we made the right choice.

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Old 08-21-2005, 11:34 AM
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Chilling speech. I forwarded the link to my folks, who have a neighbour that still has contacts in high places. I'll be curious to hear about what they think.
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Doesn't make sense. If posing as a peaceful trading partner is part of China's secret plan, why would he now blab about it?
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Doesn't make sense. If posing as a peaceful trading partner is part of China's secret plan, why would he now blab about it?
Simply too build an economy. At some point China will have an economy that allows them to trade internally. Real estate speculation had been getting out of control until they passed a rule that real estate could not be sold until it had been completely paid for, in order to reduce speculation.
Russia and China are conducting joint war games right now!
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050820/1/3udk2.html
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Who is Hal Turner and how did he come to "acquire" the text of this "speech"?
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Who is Hal Turner and how did he come to "acquire" the text of this "speech"?
http://www.adl.org/Learn/news/Suprem_Urge_Bomb.asp

Update: Hal Turner

White supremacist Hal Turner named three federal court judges with connections to the Matt Hale case as public officials who “need to be reined in.” Turner also posted the judges’ full names and addresses on his Web site, and read their names during a March 5, 2005, appearance on the Fox News program “Geraldo.”

Turner, of North Bergen, New Jersey, has a history of explicitly encouraging extreme violence against Jews, other minorities and government officials. Turner shut down his shortwave radio show down in early 2004, allegedly for lack of funds, and has confined his activities since then to posting violent and racist political and societal commentary on his Web site, which he updates frequently. Some of his more recent statements include:

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On February 28, 2005, Turner advocated assaulting and killing African-Americans on March 15 to commemorate his birthday: “I think a full day of violence against blacks . . . would be a really nice thing . . . complete with lynchings, church burnings, drive-by shootings and bombings to put these subhuman animals back in their place.”
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On January 3, 2005, Turner posted the presidential inauguration parade route on his Web site, saying “it seems to me there can be no protection against a ‘Turner Diaries’ type of mortar attack or a Hezbollah-type rocket attack launched from outside the security zone. Rest assured, if the fed’s [sic] get wiped out, I’ll be cheering the TV set!”

In addition to his activities in the United States, Tuner recently returned from a trip to Brazil to help generate support for his efforts and those of other white supremacist organizations.
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I guess that it's good news to realize that Turrner is whacked, but I'd still like to discover if that speach is a hoax of sorts. Military people have military thoughts, and said or unsaid I suppose those sentements are not completely off the wall.
Fact remains that China is using economic means to put us in a very tuff spot. They're using us like a drug dealer uses a junkie and how, or if, they will effect long term interest rates here too hurt us is just a qustion of time. IMHO we're like a pawn in their long term plan, and at some point become less important to them as consumers. We'll finally be tapped and underwater with debt. At that point they will hold a significant portion of our debt, and how they choose to hold it will affect our ability to challange them. We're in a competition for the world's resources with our infrastructure growing old and their's is modern and built on high prices. We built ours on the back of cheap resources which encouraged a lot of waste.
That waste is now translating into a debt held more and more by Asia.
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I have no idea who Hal Turner is and hope that the speech is a hoax. It rung a bell because its not the first time a Chinese military leaders has spoken out about war with the US and using WMD's to achieve their goals.
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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Chi+Haotian&ie=UTF-8&filter=0
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Make of it what you will: Epoch Times...
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Excellent link. Thanks.

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Excellent link. Thanks.

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Also worth a read:

http://www.atimes.com/china/AG31Ad01.html

And for a view of how criminal networks interact with governments on policy, WMD, etc, try:

http://www.atimes.com/front/DF19Aa01.html
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From everything I've found this speach is no hoax. I'd like to know why there's nothing on the news about it or any comment or interest here. This isn't just alarming, this guys the equal of Rummy in China.
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From everything I've found this speach is no hoax. I'd like to know why there's nothing on the news about it or any comment or interest here. This isn't just alarming, this guys the equal of Rummy in China.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba61331.000/hba61331_1.HTM
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/fmso/humannet.htm
http://www.iwar.org.uk/military/resources/aspc/text/aa/altops.htm

We require military officers retire before they publish policy papers. The Chinese may not have such a prohibition. Often our retired colonels and generals publish stuff that readers find hair-raising.

When the Chinese navy can effectively project power beyond Chinese estuaries, I'll worry about Chinese military adventures.

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