George was a rich, white (mostly slave-holding) conservative who didn't want to pay any taxes, as were almost without exception all of the "founding father."

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It would seem to be quite a stretch to call someone engaged in a revolution a "conservative."

It's probably a stretch to call the replacement of one form of elite rule with another form of elite rule, a revolution...violent evolution, perhaps?

What brass balls George and his fellow rich whitge guys must have had.

To risk life, family, liberty and fortune, against the most powerful empire of the time...just to avoid paying taxes.

Holy s**t, I wish I had balls like his.

And then, when George was offered the "job" of King of the new nation, he turned it down.

What an impudent, rich white guy.

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Revolution (and revolutionaries) can be either conservative or liberal, I suppose. Reactionary revolutions are as common as liberal. Iran is a case in point. Is the French Reign of Terror liberal or conservative?

Our "founding fathers" did not want to be taxed. The only democracy they wanted was of the ruling class variety. They ran the country and wanted to continue to do so but without paying taxes and expected the govenment to protect their property: land, slaves and whatever else they owned.

Those who were of the female persuasion and those who did not own property were inelgible to vote. I wouldn't characterise that as liberal nor even revolutionary. Myths make for great storytelling.

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You forgot Great Britain's Colonial goverment...

1775-1783, American Revolutionary War.

Here you go, from a Google search...

Was he nothing more than that to Geo Washington?
Are these the most important features of his life?
Any idea what became of his slaves after his death?

1. A great warning to modern lawmakers.

2. The "only" thing? have you ever read, the "

3. False. They paid taxes before and after the revolution at all levels. Look it up. They resented somebody for whom they did not vote and over whom they had no power, confiscating their wealth. Ever heard the phrase, "No taxation without representation"?

4. Judging historic culture with present values is a fools judgement.

Did I bruise your tender ego? A little more bruising is ahead for you in that dept., though I'm going to get tired of it pretty soon.

Hiding behind Jesus's robes? Dude, I'm pointing out the obvious: your writing is heavy on the personal attack angle even if you don't call me an idiot. I can only wonder if you use this same attitude w/ your family. Jesus is just another authority to quote, sort of like using precedence in a legal case. IOW, it's not just my opinion that pride and contempt are corrosive to character. There's sound precedence for that opinion.

Reading your stuff has informed me of one thing though: white trailer trash on Jerry Springer ain't got a monopoly on hillbilly temper tantrums.

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Taxes of that time was paid on legal documents and on imported goods, luxury items, manufactured good, etc. as the colonies had no manufacturing since their ecomomy was primarily based upon raw materiall exports. I have looked it up and have written about it.

History is only judged by present day values. I (nor other historians) would judge Nazi genocide to be a fantastic reponse to Europe's ehtnic issues.

However, slaveholding was an enlightenment for the African population. Through such slavery they were taught Christian values, "civilized" behavior, and an appreciation for all things American. That is judging history by other than present values.

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Many forms and manifestations of patriotism. It can be a very good thing. I admire Washington for many reasons.

I'm a little less impressed with guys who beat the crap out of each other based on their high school alma mater losing and then dissed in the big game. Happens all the time. A crude variant of patriotism.

Did you ever see the footage of crowds in early 40s Japan cheering as they sent their young men off into glorious battle? Tell me those folks weren't feeling strong patriotism. Was the force of that channeled wisely?

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Yep, the study about testosterone deficiency in old men causing crankiness and lapses in judgment was right after all.

Moving on....

On the issue of the Founding Fathers, they chose to tax themselves. But Botnst has already pointed this out, so no need to elaborate.

"Female persuasion?" I don't think that anyone can be persuaded to be a female, although some people have changed their gender. I understand that gender bending is a favored pastime among some residents of some parts of California.

I agree with you gdemoss01, there was a certain level of hypocrisy at play with the Founding Fathers. To exclude people of color and women was, to put it mildly, a major oversight. They could've gone further than they did, but instead chose not to. That's a shame, because a lot of the problems that we still have today could have been eliminated way back then.

In their defense, I would offer the following. Given the historical context of their efforts, however, I would say that they went pretty far. No other society of the time gave women equal rights. Matriarchal societies, such as those found among certain Native-American groups were thought of as primitive. It is interesting that in ancient Greece, women had no rights. In Roman times, however, women had far more legal rights than women had previoulsy enjoyed.

Many religions, Christian and otherwise, give women no rights whatsoever. I believe that in present day Saudi Arabia women cannot even get a driver's license. Incidentally, my wife is a far better driver than I am--she can drive her Yukon like it was a Miata. Yet in SA she couldn't even hold a driver's license. Does not seem fair.

Also don't forget that generations later, the men who came after the Founding Fathers found inspiration in the words the FF wrote in order to extend the same rights to all men and women, regardless of race. So give them credit where credit is due.

Still, you ar right, they did not go far enough.

Further on the subject of patriotism. The thought that the actions of bands of drunken high school thugs (or drunken English soccer fans for that matter) is on the same level as the kind of patriotism that makes men and women risk life and limb, in order to fight for an ideal is not just plain ... (what's the word that I am searching for here???) oh yes ... stupid, but it also worthy of (what's that other word that I am searching for here???) oh yes...contempt.

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So you're going to begin testosterone therapy soon?

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