Well, South Korea never completely lost (Pusan perimeter, etc.), so it doesn't make the list. On the other hand, Kuwait was fully overthrown before we reversed it, so we should get credit for that one.

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KGB thugs used to get tired of people badmouthing the Soviet Union, more than just a little tired, in fact, they'd lock up 'em up and torture them over it.

Respiteme meine freunde, patriotism is a knee-jerk emotion, which may or may not be worth a damn.

You like US corporate interventions in Latin Am countries? Well surely you loved the Somoza regime in Nicaragua, where American corps. helped keep Somoza in a position oddly similar to the one Saddam had in Iraq.

I'll grant you that the situation in Cuba with Batista was not so cut and dried but Somoza was a major a$$ but like Roosevelt said, "he was our a$$" -- or "bastard" actually, I think.

Surest way for our country to screw up is to have a majority of citizens willing to rubberstamp any GD thing our gubmint wants to do.

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Bosnia, isn't that the one where nobody did anything for years while the Serbs were shelling civilian populations? I didn't approve of Clinton's bombing of the bridges on the Danube during the Kosovo thing -- they could have done it w/o that, based on what I was reading -- but I don't believe it's wise to let Hitlers in training just do their thing.

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Patriotism is a knee-jerk emotion. That ol' George Washington was a knee-jerking kind of guy, huh?

The rules of this forum, V4, as posted by our Mod, Hatterasguy include the following:

Thus, in fully keeping with the letter, as well as the spirit of the rules enacted by our mod (who for a young guy has a lot on the ball) I will state the following:

Stupid comparison. KGB thugs couldn't care less one way or the other. they were simply acting under orders given by their superiors, who were intent on preserving the status quo and their privileged position.

Stupid comparisons reflect a large measure of intellectual dishonesty as well as an inability to put things into their proper content and accurately compare and contrast them. Apples and oranges...apples and oranges...apples and oranges. You'd think that picking oranges and apples would make a person an expert in their differences. Apparently not. Ay que lastima.

Still, what a wonderful fantasy...for one day to be able to lock up people exhibitng the same levels of intellectual dishonesty and turn them over to the KGB. Do you think that Putin would be interested?

Mierda es mierda es mierda y toda apesta igualmente, En Ingles, en Aleman o en cualquier otro idioma. As long as that jerking knee is attached to a boot-wearing leg, it ain't so bad. It seems to be a sport, among some, to criticize patriotism. Normally such criticism comes from effete, nattering naboobs of negativism.

In the words of Larry, the cable guy:

I don't care what anyone says, that's just stupid (opinion) there.

And...to hold such stupid opinions...well, that just speaks volumes about a mindset that can fashion such stupid utterings.

Oh lordy Lord, where would we ever be w/o the highbrow intelligentsia hailing from the more clever and progressive regions of California telling the rest of us less fortunate commoners how to be proper citizens and to properly discharge of our civic duties. Oh mighty ones, oh please tell us how to be good little citizens...

Of course it would be stupid to rubberstamp anything that the government does. DUH!!!

We all can think of a number of things that our government has done that were just wrong.

Turning our backs on Hungary and Czechoslovakia in 1956 and again in 1968.

Not going into WWII sooner and waiting, instead, for the Japanese government to destroy more than half of the Pacific fleet.

Opening our borders to illegal aliens.

I am sure that others can add to that list.

I certainly hope that my comments have not run afoul of the OD Rules, V4.

Now, if you excuse me, I am going to have a couple of cups of coffee, harvested from a country that we are either currently raping, invading or intervening in (your choice) in behalf of corporate interests.

I am hoping to get my kidneys to generate enough excess waste water to join my new hero, BHD, at the trough...I am getting the urge to "discharge" on some heads buried in the sand.

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See Bot, you obviously don't get it.

Good old George was a rich, male white supremacist. It was not patriotism that motivated good old George to risk his life, his family and his fortune in the fight against England.

It was simply the desire to create a nation that would eventually turn around and enslave, rape, intervene, invade, etc., other less fortunate countries.

Don't you get it Bot???

Oy vey!

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BENZ-LUGGY:

Whoa, first he takes the bold step of badmouthing Janet Reno from a few thousand miles away (Wooo-EEE! Tha's bad, Jack!), now he's quoting forum rules (that I have clearly broken ).

Dude, you keep making stuff up. You don't have the barest clue about what various KGB dudes were thinking. Neither do I actually, but I can tell I've had a lot more exposure to the matter than you have.

A lot of those guys really believed in the Great Soviet Union, or some such nonsense. Likewise for Napoleon's soldiers. Those popular movements never get off the ground if there isn't widespread patriotic support.

The point is, Sherlock, dissenting voices usually always find someone, in power or otherwise, who strenuously disagree with the opinion being expressed. The societies that grow are the ones who don't censure peacefully expressed dissent.

Your have clearly shown a willingness to "relieve yourself" on these fools crawling at your feet. The attitude is more like the KGB than Jefferson and Franklin.

Dude, pride is one of the seven deadly sins and is warned against in the good book. Contempt is the bastard child of pride. Jesus advised against it strenuously.

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effete, nattering nabobs of negativism, lol, as stupid then as it is now

You know if you change the names and places you would think that we were talking about Iraq.

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Iraq, isn't that the one where nobody did anything for years while the Sunnies were shelling the Kurd populations? I didn't approve of Clinton's bombing of the bridges in operation firefox during the Lewinsky thing -- they could have done it w/o that, based on what I was reading -- but I don't believe it's wise to let Hitlers in training just do their thing.

had there been oil and strong suspicion of WMD's in Bosnia then would we have been UNJUSTIFIED in invading? Or if Dubyuh had a blow-job, would Iraq have been ok? Of course, in neither case did the UN sanction the invasions. These dang rules are confusing.

"BENZ-LUGGY?"

Dearest comrade:

Not desiring to see this thread closed by the mods, and being blamed by it, I chose not to respond in kind.

In my experience, however, hiding behind Jesus' robes is a sign of inttlectual cowardice. If the sandals fit, then please wear them.

Apropos to nothing, or to everything, I recently read that a lack of testosterone tends to make old men cranky and makes them act stupid.

Makes one wonder.

Now comrade, you keep it up with the personal attacks, you keep hiding behind Jesus' robes. Intellectual cowardice and intellectual dishonesty do not deserve a response.

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"There are no permanent allies, or permanent enemies. Only permanent interests".


I had a professor who loved this quote, don't know where he stole it from.

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Bismarck?

Bismarkee?
Oh baby you.....
you got what I need.

Just kidding

I don't know. I couldn't find any Bismarck quotes on Wikipedia.

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Guatemala declared war on us as did Chile, Iran, and all those other tin-pot dictators. We sure kicked some foreign butt and showed them.

I now know (thanks BHD) that because the lefties are more deadly, conservatives are better. Pondering: maybe we should hire mercenary lefties to fight Iraqi insurgents?

I'm sacrificing by burying my head in the sand. Anyone who does otherwise is engaged in pre-9/11 thinking. We all know what that led to: post 9/11 thinking.

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