I think the truth lies somewhere in between, and I think it is an unfortunate truth. Yes, Canadian nationalism is alive and well in much of small-town Canada. However, our population is shifting dramatically towards the urban areas, which (as you pointed out) is where immigrants largely settle due to the ability to receive support from their communities. This is a shift that will continue to happen in the coming decades as Canada's population growth comes more from immigration than birth.

One of the things I love about Canada is the way that I can experience so many different cultures (I live in Toronto). However, I am against the stated government policy of Multiculturalism. I believe that people should be free to support and carry on their cultural traditions at their own time and effort, but should not expect that the government will adapt to those needs in the way it interacts with the public. This I truly believe is Trudeau's lasting harm to Canada. He invented Multiculturalism as a way to take wind out of the sails of Quebec nationalism. He hoped to dilute it by elevating the rights of all cultures, and I think this has ultimately harmed a sense of Canadian nationalism. We have largely become a nation of regions, cultures and special interest groups in the last 30 years, and that is something that is sad for me.

The high-lighted sentence above is NOT my theory - the EPA didn't suggest getting rid of SUV's, etc., they suggested that if the engines within them were Diesel types, then the oil imported from Saudi Arabia would not be needed. Nor do I think the USA ought to be 'nuked' - but conservation is in our hands through other means. Divert some of the wasteful Space budget to finding environmentally friendly solutions for the diminishing world supply of oil.

You've got it right! That highlighted paragraph elaborates on what I wrote previously about the Arse Hole, Pierre Trudeau and his open door policies towards the immigrants and refugees (the kind we don't, nor didn't need here) of the world, not to emphasise the monetary deficit he left us by wasting our tax dollars on Bi-lingualism and Bi-culturalism, and making magnificent grants to his buddies in the Caribbean and elsewhere.

From last night's "Daily Show""

Kudos Canada . . . for becoming worthy of being a terrorist target, we didn' t think you had it in you!

Of course, for Americans that means we not only have to build a wall to keep Mexicans out, we have to build another border wall . . .

I agree with you on Trudeau, for sure. But that's where I draw the line. Canada is, has been, and will continue to be a nation of immigrants. You're one. My paternal grandfather was one. My wife's parents are immigrants as well. And I guarantee you that each wave of immigrants looked at the next wave that followed as the flotsam and jetsam of the world. I think that's a short-sighted view, and was not the point I was making. While I would like to see tightening of our immigration policies (especially around the removal of those who commit crimes as landed immigrants or refugees), I am not against immigration. I am against government-sponsored multiculturalism and I am against the expectation that society at large should adapt to reflect the increased cultural diversity. If immigrants wish to keep their traditions alive on their own, I welcome the added diversity that brings to our country. Just don't expect my tax dollars to enable it.

Bilingualism and "bi-culturalism", as you put it, were around long before Trudeau. This nation has two founding cultures, and the relationship between those cultures has been the source of much political tension. I honestly don't expect you to understand that, and I don't say that facetiously. I've read my fair share of Irish history and I've visited both the Republic and the North. None of it qualifies me to fully understand it. Canada's Anglo/Franco troubles go back to 1759, if not further back than that.

We can agree that Trudeau was bad for Canada. But beyond that, you're on your own. I find most of what you wrote to be fairly intolerant and for that reason, decidedly un-Canadian.

Why not divert some of the wasteful programs money to find environmentally friendly solutions for the deminishing (assuming that we know that it is deminishing and when) world supply of oil? Why can't other countries also chip in?

Gloria Jeans White Chocolate Cookie Almond Chiller is great. After that, I'd go to Starbucks.

Let's examine your above statement in highlight type:

If your opinion be so, then why are mainly US manufacturers,whop control World Trade making consumer goods in Mexico, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, India, et. al. who is corporate America exploiting? Hint: cheap third worlds labour. Yes, No? Why does Walmart exist as the world's largest retail corporation?

Modern technical inventions [and discoveries] :

England developed air flight 50 years before the Wright brothers. Where was penicillin discovered, etc., etc. Where was steam power perfected? Yeh! same place.

Where was the Diesel engine developed : Germany.

Who made the first Jet engine - Germany! Who developed yor aerospace rockets - Germans.

Who made the first telephone? Alexander Bell - a Canadian.

Do you want me to go on, and on?

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Saying "no offense" does not and never will be 'no offense' Don't you recognise a slip of the fingers that causes 'typos'?

As our Anglo-Irishman, George Bernard Shaw, said: " We have a lot in common with Americans, except for the language!"

I'd like to think that on some level some of the US efforts are what kept that 6,000 pound, yes six thousand pounds, ANFO device on the other side of the border. Big KUDOS to my bros in the bright red tunics, the did a damn good job ferreting out this folks through a little bit of mining.

I know the RCMP had been working them for a while and actually delivered the base material immediately prior to the arrests. I know it has been stated earlier, but the OKC bomb was piddlin small in comparison at a measly 2,000 pounds yet it devastated the OKC Federal building. I imagine a single ANFO made from all the material could literally level multiple city blocks.

I imagine a well placed device of that size could take down the CN Tower and level the CSIS (Canada's CIA - so to speak) HQ. Could be they planned several smaller devices...that I don't know. I'm not sure what to think about the latest reports they planned to storm the Parliment Building and behead the PM before blowing it up.

For those who don't know, the CN Tower is comparable to Seattle's Needle, or maybe the Stratosphere hotel in Vegas. It is a big tourist attraction in downtown Toronto and a well known landmark.

I must say I was also very surprised that one of the suspects is from Trinidad and Tobaggo. I know they have a Muslim population there but didn't believe there were many extremists. I have had dealings with a lot of Trinidadians the last couple months. Makes one wonder.

Lets just say, it happened, the RCMP did a damn good job catching this before any further action on the suspects parts, and they saved Canada from their version of 9-11.

No is not the time to rest on one's laurels.

Do you believe that every Canadian citizen must hold the same view of world affairs as you do?

Intolerance "unwillingness to endure a differing opinion" first attested 1765.


Intolerant: Yes! Yu are on the money. I'm am intolerant of religious and political points of view that promote aggression: as with the USA and the invasion of Irag - despite world opinion at the U.N., and now
George W., and his patsy's are considering Iran as their next target; and also Radical Islamic teachings.

I do not beleive for one moment, that ordinary Americans are bigots - it's the foreign policy of their governmen - now and in the past - that I will always disagree with.

Just show us all your colours on those points?

Nice photo - no doubt issued by the US Defence Dept. BUT you omitted the national colours of the other coalition troops, principally the Union Jack and the British Tommies.

Hmmmm, if he included the other flags, say the Union Jack or the flag of Poland, India and all of the other countries that helped, wouldn't that lend credence to this not being a "coalition of the coerced" and "a unilateral war of aggression", i.e. "Bush's war"?

Ahhhh, pride in ownership.

Of course it would !, AND That's what it was [and still is].
What else would a rational, intelligent person, who thinks before they, open their 'Gob' [Gaelic for mouth] call it?