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Old 06-15-2006, 04:21 PM
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...Yes but people say it with such pride that I wonder what goes thru their head...
I don't wonder what goes through their head so much as I wonder whether anything goes through their head.

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Well I was brought up to believe that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all!
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Old 06-15-2006, 04:42 PM
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Well I was brought up to believe that if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all!

But aren't you already saying something?
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Old 06-15-2006, 06:02 PM
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You don't think that you can learn anything from Teddy Roosevelt? He was a fascinating character with an amazing life story. IMHO, we do well to listen to people like him and to thoughtful people who disagree with him.
TR never invaded another country unprovoked in the selfish interest of his own country.....uh...nevermind.

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Old 06-15-2006, 07:21 PM
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TR never invaded another country unprovoked in the selfish interest of his own country.....uh...nevermind.

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Your post caused me to read a short biography of TR on Wikipedia. Didn't find a single reference to what I think you said. Kindly be more specific. Also if possible identify if his qoute that began this thread was made prior to or after the invasion.
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Old 06-15-2006, 07:32 PM
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TR never invaded another country unprovoked in the selfish interest of his own country.....uh...nevermind.

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Old 06-15-2006, 07:37 PM
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Your post caused me to read a short biography of TR on Wikipedia. Didn't find a single reference to what I think you said. Kindly be more specific. Also if possible identify if his qoute that began this thread was made prior to or after the invasion.
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Wikipedia ain't all that.

Columbia is a country that used to be both within South America and up the Isthmus to present-day Costa Rica. TR negotiated with Columbia to build a canal across the isthmus, picking-up where a French concessionaire had failed. The Columbians increased the demands beyond which TR was willing to pay. TR found a group of wealthy Columbian planters and businessmen with interests in the isthmus who supported the canal adventure on TR's terms. They started a revolution, which TR supported with gunboats and marines. After the "revolution" the new leaders negotiated a rent-to-own agreement with TR, if TR would build the canal.

Also, TR sent marines into Haiti and I believe Nicaragua. In both cases to 'protect American interests." This resulted in large fruit plantations owned by American companies whose boards were friends of TR's.

TR's many adventures in the name of the Monroe Doctrine were all successful during the time in which TR was president. His actions expanded phrase, "gunboat diplomacy" that we all think of as a Reagan invention. Reagan was a piker compared to TR.

here's an interesting link: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/boot.htm

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Old 06-15-2006, 07:38 PM
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Spanish American War-
"Theodore Roosevelt, had actively encouraged intervention in Cuba and, while assistant secretary of the Navy, placed the Navy on a war-time footing, had ordered Dewey and the Pacific fleet to the Philippines. He worked with Leonard Wood in convincing the Army to raise an all-volunteer regiment, the 1st U.S. Volunteer Cavalry. Wood was given a command of the regiment that became quickly known as the "Rough Riders".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_American_War

"The Philippine-American War was a conflict between the armed forces of the United States and insurgent groups in the Philippines from 1899 through 1913. This conflict is also known as the 'Philippine Insurrection'. This name was historically the most commonly used in the U.S., but Filipinos and some American historians refer to these hostilities as the Philippine-American War, and in 1999 the U.S. Library of Congress reclassified its references to use this term."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_War
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Old 06-15-2006, 07:40 PM
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"By far the most important action I took in foreign affairs during the time I was President was related to the Panama Canal," wrote Theodore Roosevelt in his autobiography. In a speech several years after he "took" Panama, Roosevelt explained: "There are plenty of other things I started merely because the time had come that whoever was in power would have started them. But the Panama Canal would not have started if I had not taken hold of it, because if I had followed the traditional or conservative method I should have submitted an admirable state paper to Congress… the debate would be proceeding at this moment… and the beginning of work on the canal would be fifty years in the future. Fortunately [the opportunity] came at a period when I could act unhampered. Accordingly I took the Isthmus, started the canal and then left Congress not to debate the canal, but to debate me."
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Very good, but did the qoute beginning this post occur before, during, or after these events? That's all.
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Old 06-15-2006, 08:18 PM
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"By far the most important action I took in foreign affairs during the time I was President was related to Iraq," wrote G W Bush in his autobiography. In a speech several years after he "took" Iraq, Bush explained: "There are plenty of other things I started merely because the time had come that whoever was in power would have started them. But Iraq would not have started if I had not taken hold of it, because if I had followed the traditional or conservative method I should have submitted an admirable state paper to Congress… the debate would be proceeding at this moment… and the beginning of work on Iraq would be fifty years in the future. Fortunately [the opportunity] came at a period when I could act unhampered. Accordingly I took one country, started Iraq and then left Congress not to debate the ME but to debate me."
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Old 06-15-2006, 08:32 PM
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Very good, but did the qoute beginning this post occur before, during, or after these events? That's all.
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I have no idea.

I like TR. He was patriotic always verging on chauvinism, often exceeding that line. His optimism approaches mania. But he was rarely fooled by any man or woman.

If that were all there was to TR then he would be your typical despotic martinet. But he was a far more complex man. He spoke and avidly read and corresponded in several languages. He actively read most (American) scientific journals. Even more amazing is that he understood what he read. He was fabulously wealthy and completely proud of it, yet was contemptuous of wealth for its own sake. He hated socialism, loved freemarkets, yet was an ardent foe of laissez-faire capitalism, trusts, unions, and monopolies.

He was a thoroughly complex and amazing man. Even had he never been president I have no doubt he would have made huge marks on the history of the USA.

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Old 06-15-2006, 08:44 PM
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TR was a naked imperialist, which in and of itself is a gross abomination, but even that travesty doesn't take away from the generallized wisdom of his quote. I'm sure Shrub has said something at sometime in his pathetic miserable little life that has some inherent deeply embedded wisdom...searching...searching...searching
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Old 06-15-2006, 08:56 PM
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Old 06-15-2006, 09:01 PM
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...I'm sure Shrub has said something at sometime in his pathetic miserable little life that has some inherent deeply embedded wisdom...
"Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then." Source: Unknown.

While we're on the subject of quotes, I think the phrase - "pathetic miserable little life" - is pretty good. I like that as a description of W.

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