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BENZ-LGB 07-25-2006 01:39 PM

Elian Gonzales Redux
 
Back during the whole Elian fiasco, the judges who ruled against the Miami relatives made it a point to state, over and over, that the interests and desires of a parent should always be given the utmost respect and consideration by the courts. This was the same line trumpted by Janet and Bill when they ordered Federalagents to seizetheboy and pack him off to Castro's Cuba.

The courts, of course, paid no attention to:

1. Their own policy of intervening on behalf of a child whenever the parents' choices/desires seem to be against the child's best interest;

2. The fact that Elian's father was an absentee father, who only paid attntion to the kid when the kid became a pawn in Castro's game of brinksmanship; and

3. The fact that Elian's mother, his legal guardian after the dad left the household, obviously wanted her boy to live in the US free of Communism. She, in fact, gave up her life to bring him here.

Now comes word that a judge has overruled the parents desires/wishes for their son's medical treatment. The story linked below is not final (an appeals court has ruled that the boy does not have to go to the doctors as ordered by the lower court judge).

It just seems hypocritical that when the government wants to take your kid away from you, they act swiftly and in total disregard of the parents' rights. In the Waco, Texas incident, the courts ruled that the parents had no right raising their children pursuant to David Koresh's (sp?) teachings (I know, Koresh was alleged to be a pedophile who had sex with young girls). But in that one instance the courts had no problem trumping the parents' right and sending the FBI to take the kids away...with the results that we now know.

In the case of Starchild Abraham Cherrix (the kid with Hodgkin's Disease) the courts, again, have no problem trampling over the parents' rights to choose medical care for their child.

The Clinton-kangaroo courts and the Clinton-monkey-AG had no problems bending over backwards to give an absentee father rights that courts routinely deny parents in other situations. I guess Castro had his hands so far up Janet's and Bill's asses that the two of them could not help but to do their master's bidding and ship the boy back to Cuba.

Here is the story on Starchild Abraham Cherrix:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-07-11-herbal-remedy_x.htm

TheDon 07-25-2006 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB
Here is the story on Starchild Abraham Cherrix:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-07-11-herbal-remedy_x.htm

thats one interesting story.. apparently feeding your kid healthy, organic, non hormone infected foods is bad?... good ole USA right there in action

Honus 07-25-2006 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB
...The Clinton-kangaroo courts and the Clinton-monkey-AG...

I understand your hearfelt feelings about Castro, but regret your disrespect for your own profession. What kangaroo courts are you talking about? The state court in Florida that gave custody to Elian's Cuban father? What did Clinton have to do with that?

You probably resent the Clinton administration's efforts in support of Castro's side of the Elian dispute, but I don't recall any reason to assume that the Florida court did not act in good faith.

I also don't get this part:
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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB
...the courts, again, have no problem trampling over the parents' rights to choose medical care for their child...

Didn't the appeals court rule in the parents' favor? All you have is a trial court making a difficult decision about whether to let a child make a potentially un-wise life-and-death decision. Based on that, you denounce the whole American system of justice? Doesn't seem very patriotic to me.

Honus 07-25-2006 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDon
thats one interesting story.. apparently feeding your kid healthy, organic, non hormone infected foods is bad?... good ole USA right there in action

No, according to BENZ-LGB, the appeals court ruled in the family's favor. I think he just wanted an excuse to defame the system of justice set up by our Founding Fathers.

Maroon 300D 07-25-2006 02:26 PM

That poor kid should be able to make his own decision. Forcing him to suffer through chemo again when he is clearly intelligent enough to make his own decision is simply disgusting.

This would be different in my mind if he were younger (as in his parents obviously making the decision) and it were the first round of chemo he were declining. Even then I can't say I'm really sure what my thoughts are on that, though.

I think the 85% survival statistic they cite is misleading. I seriously doubt that 85% of the people who relapse that quickly survive.

A good friend of mine was diagnosed with Hodgkins when she was 24. She relapsed three (was it four?) times and died earlier this year. I think she was 29. :sad:

I'm glad the kid can evidently make his own decision now.

TheDon 07-25-2006 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin
No, according to BENZ-LGB, the appeals court ruled in the family's favor. I think he just wanted an excuse to defame the system of justice set up by our Founding Fathers.

really.. i read it in the paper.. polk county ledger(sucky paper ) that the govt had taken him away.. guess they didnt cover that part.. stupid back country news papers

Mistress 07-25-2006 02:40 PM

Oye Mojito-(In my best Ricky Ricardo voice) How many ting I ang havin to esplain you, Clinton did it for the cigars.....conyo.

Honus 07-25-2006 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDon
really.. i read it in the paper.. polk county ledger(sucky paper ) that the govt had taken him away.. guess they didnt cover that part.. stupid back country news papers

I could be wrong about that. I think the whole thing is still up in the air. I did a little bit of googling and didn't find anything definitive.

BENZ-LGB 07-25-2006 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Siduri19
Oye Mojito-(In my best Ricky Ricardo voice) How many ting I ang havin to esplain you, Clinton did it for the cigars.....conyo.

Mija, the meeting of Billy's cigars and Monica's plumbing should have been an impeacheable offense all by itself.

To use a fine cigar for those purposes shows a total lack of respect for the seed, for the leave and for the craftsman who rolled it. For that alone, Billy is worthy of our utter and complete contempt.

That and his nowinfamous remark that he smoked a doobie but never inhaled...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Now if he had used cheap Domicans, well then no one would have cared. :D

Mistress 07-25-2006 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB
Mija, the meeting of Billy's cigars and Monica's plumbing should have been an impeacheable offense all by itself.

To use a fine cigar for those purposes shows a total lack of respect for the seed, for the leave and for the craftsman who rolled it. For that alone, Billy is worthy of our utter and complete contempt.

That and his nowinfamous remark that he smoked a doobie but never inhaled...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Now if he had used cheap Domicans, well then no one would have cared. :D

Exactamento! Oye te quidado- this topic makes you very emotional and I am afraid for the attacka de corason and who is going to give you boca to boca resusitation?

BENZ-LGB 07-25-2006 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Siduri19
Exactamento! Oye te quidado- this topic makes you very emotional and I am afraid for the attacka de corason and who is going to give you boca to boca resusitation?

Estas ofreciendo??? :D

Gracias por preocuparte de mi corazon...pero en Cuba dicen:

"Bicho malo no muere..."

And I am a "bicho malo."

And no, for you "perverts" out there "bicho malo" is NOT what you think. :eek: :D

I'll translate the expression later on (in case anyone is interested)...but have fun with the Google translator first.

Mistress 07-25-2006 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB
Estas ofreciendo??? :D

Gracias por preocuparte de mi corazon...pero en Cuba dicen:

"Bicho malo no muere..."

And I am a "bicho malo."

And no, for you "perverts" out there "bicho malo" is NOT what you think. :eek: :D

I'll translate the expression later on (in case anyone is interested)...but have fun with the Google translator first.

I haven't heard tht word in years....takes me back to my Caye Ocho days. "The bad tiny beast does not die"

BENZ-LGB 07-25-2006 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Siduri19
I haven't heard tht word in years....takes me back to my Caye Ocho days. "The bad tiny beast does not die"

I'll wait a little while longer and see if someone else chimes in.

But you are close.

Siduri walking around "La Calle Ocho" now I wish I had stayed in Miami just a little longer.

Mistress 07-25-2006 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB
I'll wait a little while longer and see if someone else chimes in.

But you are close.

Siduri walking around "La Calle Ocho" now I wish I had stayed in Miami just a little longer.

In Caye Oche playing Dominos with the viejos dressed in their guayaberra shirts and plaid shorts with socks up to their knees with plastic changkletas on smoking a big tobacco. Drinking Cafe Cubano and eating a pastelito de guayaba.

BENZ-LGB 07-25-2006 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Siduri19
In Caye Oche playing Dominos with the viejos dressed in their guayaberra shirts and plaid shorts with socks up to their knees with plastic changkletas on smoking a big tobacco. Drinking Cafe Cubano and eating a pastelito de guayaba.

Pero dime una cosa Chica....Are you sure you are not a Cubana yourself? ;)


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