See outsourcing works!

[Hatterasguy]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8163714371150472213&q=CLS55+AMG&hl=en

See outsourcing works, your order is screwed no matter who takes it!

[Mistress]

out sourcing isn't nice....

[kamil]

Originally Posted by Mistress

out sourcing isn't nice....

There is nothing wrong with outsourcing...in a way it's a very good thing if you think about it. It gives us Americans cheaper prices for the same goods that would be produced in the States. I'm not talking about a buck or two cheaper, I'm talking about paying half price just because it was outsourced. Outsourcing also creates better educated people in America since most of the crappy jobs are going overseas....hence, many older Americans are going back to school. I can see this in some of my classes that are scheduled later -- most are filled with old geezers. I sort of feel bad for them because most are so incompetant when it comes to school and technology that it's not even funny.

[Kuan]

Outsourcing is the same as illegal immigration ever stop and think about that? Both take away jobs, increase corporate profits, allow corporate tax evasion.

If the restaurant industry could cook all their food across the border and serve it within a few minutes they would.

Edit: I should say outsourcing overseas

[wbain5280]

Originally Posted by Kuan

Outsourcing is the same as illegal immigration ever stop and think about that? Both take away jobs, increase corporate profits, allow corporate tax evasion.

If the restaurant industry could cook all their food across the border and serve it within a few minutes they would.

Edit: I should say outsourcing overseas

There is an easy way to fix corporate tax evasion, take away the targeted tax cuts written into law by Congerss and signed by the President.

I do want illegal immigration stopped, btw.

[davestlouis]

I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with someone in India, trying to pay by Charter Communications DSL bill...unreal, this poor soul barely speaks English, clearly has a script that he is having trouble reading. This was nothing but a nightmare. It would have been quicker to walk into one of their local offices, of which there are 10 in the metro area, and talk to some goofy teenager chewing gum and staring at me. Piss-poor service is still poor service, whether it's outsourced or not.

[riethoven]

Originally Posted by kamil

There is nothing wrong with outsourcing...in a way it's a very good thing if you think about it. It gives us Americans cheaper prices for the same goods that would be produced in the States. I'm not talking about a buck or two cheaper, I'm talking about paying half price just because it was outsourced. Outsourcing also creates better educated people in America since most of the crappy jobs are going overseas....hence, many older Americans are going back to school. I can see this in some of my classes that are scheduled later -- most are filled with old geezers. I sort of feel bad for them because most are so incompetant when it comes to school and technology that it's not even funny.

Yet another lesson in diplomacy by Kamil.

You sir are correct that a better educated society has higher paying jobs, and that a large reason why US jobs pay so much more than other countries is because our productivity is among the highest in the world. Since the mid 80's our productivity has increased greatly whereas the productvity in the rest of the world has not kept pace.

I think it is great that India which is the world's largest democracy is getting a piece of "the American Dream", but I don't feel the same way about totalitarian China.

That is a funny video, but it can't be real.

[kamil]

Originally Posted by riethoven

I think it is great that India which is the world's largest democracy is getting a piece of "the American Dream", but I don't feel the same way about totalitarian China.

Us average US citizens can still profit from India and China's rapid growth. Look into american stocks/funds that are based out of those countries. Don't forget Brazil either, they're going through crazy growth as well.

[aklim]

Originally Posted by 123c

Where I work, alot of stuff is made in China, alot of it is just cheaply made, and the stuff made in the USA is much better quality. I am starting to buy stuff that is made in the USA, if I can, or at least in North America, since it seems like Mexico is part of the United States these days

I think that by itself quality is overated. We need to figure out 2 important things.

1. Is it worth it? IOW, should I buy a $10 hammer that lasts for 4 years or 3 hammers at $2 apiece that last for 4 years total? IOW, if I pay twice more for your product, is it twice as good as the cheaper one?

2. Can I afford this expensive one today. Doesn't matter how good it is but if it cost me $100, can I pay that much for an item?

[soypwrd]

Originally Posted by kamil

There is nothing wrong with outsourcing...in a way it's a very good thing if you think about it. It gives us Americans cheaper prices for the same goods that would be produced in the States.

...Outsourcing also creates better educated people in America since most of the crappy jobs are going overseas....hence, many older Americans are going back to school. I can see this in some of my classes that are scheduled later -- most are filled with old geezers. I sort of feel bad for them because most are so incompetant when it comes to school and technology that it's not even funny.

Another brilliant position from the kid in school. Think it out a little sonny, and come back to me when we outsource our next job, farming. Don`t get hungry now while you contemplate the reality of being totally dependent.

[kamil]

Originally Posted by soypwrd

Another brilliant position from the kid in school. Think it out a little sonny, and come back to me when we outsource our next job, farming. Don`t get hungry now while you contemplate the reality of being totally dependent.

We won't outsource farming during our life times. USA is so abundant in land that it doesn't pay to grow the crap anywhere else. Heck, land is cheap here. You can go and pay a few dollars for an acre of land that would be suitable for growing food.

[soypwrd]

Originally Posted by kamil

... Heck, land is cheap here. You can go and pay a few dollars for an acre of land that would be suitable for growing food.

You simpy do not know what you are talking about son. Get some more of that expensive edubacation and get back with me when the real world hits you in the face.

[dkveuro]

Originally Posted by Mistress

out sourcing isn't nice....

kzzzzzzzzzzzz..you funt friessss vis dat ?

Want that 'Wayne's World' where he goes through a drive thro and tries to screw up his order !
I get that all the time...English accent.


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[kamil]

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B984BDADB%2D4BC6%2D4B0F%2DBAAE%2D2CC966C369E1%7D&dist=WSJfeed&siteid=WSJ

Going in for labor
Outsourcing not so lucrative when productivity factored in
MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:03 AM ET Oct 6, 2006

SANTA MONICA, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- The world is still round after all.
Despite New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman's widely embraced thesis that the world is flat because technology makes outsourcing and therefore globalization a breeze, a new Conference Board study shows otherwise.
The report released this week by the well-respected research organization best known for its consumer confidence index and the index of leading economic indicators, says the competitive advantages of outsourcing are in some cases completely wiped out due to low productivity.
"One critical lesson for businesses that benefit from one-time labor-cost benefits when investing in 'low wage' countries is that productivity gains from new technology and innovation have to keep pace with often fast-rising wages of skilled and semi-skilled workers or the 'cost advantage' begins to erode," says Bart van Ark, Director of the Conference Board international economic research program.
In other words, the comparative cost advantage of taking a business to low-wage countries such as China or India, where manufacturing costs are lower than in the U.S., are often not the giant bargain they seem when wages are adjusted for low productivity, according to the report.
It says this is also true of decisions to locate in Mexico, Central and Eastern Europe rather than in North America and Western Europe.
There are still some countries where it pays to work cheap. China and India are the best places to make goods, and "by far, the most competitive manufacturing nations in our sample," the study says.
Turkey, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Poland and Mexico rank from most to least competitive. In fact, after accounting for low productivity measures, Mexican workers cost almost as much as U.S. workers.
This should be a big issue for companies looking to exploit cheap labor in emerging markets: It doesn't pay.
The problem isn't so much manual efficiency as technology, the Conference Board says. "Companies can benefit from better use of technologies due to their exposure to international competition," it reports.
The test is for emerging economies to increase their productivity while at the same time keeping their wage costs low. The Conference Board gauges this by "unit labor cost."
Unit labor cost is defined as the average labor compensation per unit of output and is measured as the ratio of labor compensation per employed person (or per hour worked) relative to output per employed person (or per hour worked)
The U.S. has done a great job in managing its unit labor costs over the past 12 years, according to the Conference Board, widening its advantage over Europe and Japan "thanks not to lower wages but to continued higher productivity gains."
Still, it isn't an easy feat.
Japan, for example, has succeeded in restoring its competitiveness by bringing down its manufacturing wage costs below certain 2004 levels, which helps boost international competitiveness but has done little to spur domestic markets.
The report shows that the balance between wage and productivity gains is not just a challenge for emerging economies, but for all countries.
Ireland and Finland have better unit labor costs than the U.S. In 2002, 10 European countries were better advantaged than the U.S.
The Conference Board says the increase in Europe's unit labor costs between 2002 and 2005 is, in part, related to the rapid appreciation of the euro relative to the U.S. dollar and a drop-off in labor productivity in Western Europe.
Just when you think you have it figured out, the world reminds you that it's full of curves.
Take this: On average, the manufacturing sector in Central and Eastern Europe and Mexico pays between 10% and 15% of compensation paid in the U.S. In Turkey, the level is around 5%. The manufacturing sector in India and China only pays between 2% and 3% of the U.S. compensation level on average. But productivity levels offset this gap, bringing costs closer in line to what they would otherwise be if manufactured in the U.S.
For example, even with the huge disparity between the U.S. and Chinese and Indian manufacturing, the unit labor cost difference is only 20%.
That's certainly a lot, but not what you'd call a world apart. End of Story

[danwatt]

Very sad that somebody is paying for this Kamil fellow to go to college, when there are plenty of smart people who can't afford it.

However, college doesn't seem to be working in this case.