It's heeeeeerrrreeeee
 

Soon to be followed by the iPhone Nano, then the iPhone Neuro, which will be a tiny implant inserted into one's cochlea.

The real question is, when to jump on the wagon? :D

It is supposed to be a "multi year" contract with Cingular............since Cingular sucks around here I will not have one unless it can be unlocked like my Blackberry.

Cingular has it.. sweeeet im soo upgrading
Its out in June. 600$ for the 8 gig model... gives me time to save.

The Zune is DEAD now!!!!!

Yeah I gotta say, Zune is just WAY too late. It looks nice, but the market it super saturated.

I've been waiting for that gadget for a LOOOONG time! I've been with Cingular since '99, and I'll be due for an "upgrade" by June!!!! :D

Mike

OK, someone explain to me the big deal.

I've had my current iPaq phone for over a year, and an earlier one for 4 before that.

I have a phone, with full internet, email, contacts, word, excel, games AND music all in one device.

The email is outlook, and connects to my corporate (personal) exchange server.

Storage has been limited, but thats changing quickly with 8 gig SD cards.
Gee my one gig card only holds 100 or so albums (OK, I removed a few songs from each, the ones I didn't want anyhow)

So I've had everything for 5 years.

And while it does have a keyboard, it's touchscreen. The phone dialer is touch screen only !!!!


Yes, it's Windows Mobile.



PS any comments about virus's vs Apple remember this is MOAB
As Coined by Apple Loyalists !!!

That is "Month Of Apple Bugs", they have been reporting Holes in the OS faster than Apple can fix them(In fact over half the temporary patches are not from Apple).
Not even counting things like the current Adobe hole, affects ALL OSs.


I have nothing against Macs, use what you like best.
But for corporate stuff, Sorry Windows is it FOR NOW.

I have also stated if Jobs gets smart and quits trying to control the hardware and just sell the OS on any Intel hardware, for the first time in years there is an OS that could scare Msft.

The iphone goes far beyond the iPaq.

Gee, no offense, but black is darker than white.

Goes far beyond, how ..................

Maybe I am missing the point of this MOAB thing, but these flaws they are finding in OS X seem pretty picky to me, especially when compared to the endless flaws in Microsoft products.

I don't know anything about the Zune, but I almost felt sorry for its designers on the day it came out. The news people reporting on it just tore it to ribbons. Microsoft has single-handedly refuted the saying, "Build a better mouse trap and customers will beat a path to your door." That rule now says, "Build a dominant technology and customers will have no choice but to come to your door."

Just stated the MOAB thing, because up here anytime some says Windows there are 4 "Get a Mac" posts.
I just get sick of the zealots, no offense to them.



Look at it logically, the MAC OS is based on UNIX.
300% of the reason UNIX/LINUX has never made inroads on the desktop is zealots.

My (insert flavor) is better than your (insert flavor).
Insert Flavor = BSD, ATT, SUN, AIX, ... or Linux Redhat, Unbutu ....

IF 25 years ago these guys had gotten together and standardized them Bill Gates would probably be flippin burgers.
None of them are compatible, each is unique and different (the Linux's have gotten better, BUT haven't solved the issue).
I have worked on most over the years(I've been in the industry, hard to believe, almost 40 years and I'm just over 50. I was programming before I could drive, common today, not so in the late 60s), the consistency of Windows is what made it.

Believe me I can give you some choice words about Windows and it's FUs.
And a BE UT that affect Windows Mobile !!!!

And regarding the endless flaws in Windows, many are pretty picky too.
The hole can only be exploited under some pretty complex situations.
But you only see "7 patches released this week". Read the details.

Funny, I have 7 computers here. Hardware is my biggest headache.
Hack me, yea right !!!

And my brothers Mac has given him some grief !!


Agree Zune is ???

Although the new Sansa from SanDisk has some interesting features, a bit clunky though.

Still I've had, and used, a phone with an MP3 player for 5 years.

So other than it comes from God Steve vs. the Devil Bill ....

Hey knudson,
My sentiments exactly,to all you've said,and I couldn't have said it better myself.I would have sounded like an idiot.but you delivered well.

Thanks truckinik.

I've become real jaded on my industry, seen it ruined over the years.

Although it was fun almost 30 years ago, working at a consulting firm.
There were a bunch of us doing heavy Unix internal stuff for several different flavors.

Company get togethers were a riot when the ATT (my team), the AIX, and the Berkley groups got together.

If Nerds could fight - hehe

Excellent summary kknudson.
I am sick of Mac people's attitude, whenever someone poses a Windows question here, invariably some pretentious "genious" feels the need to offer a real helpful advice, like "Why don't you get a Mac?". Mac has its advantages, none that would me make switch over to a machine where I can't add or exchange components and or peripherals from the vendor of my choice, at my convenience. No way in hell will I be locked in with one hardware manufacturer. Screw Jobs and his business model.
A few years ago Apple almost went bankrupt because of its proprietary hardware.
I run XP/SP2 with 2g memory on a 17" Toshiba Satellite, use Firefox and have/had no problems, no viruses, worms, etc, even though it is connected to the Net 24/7.
I reboot maybe once or twice a month, it runs along just fine.

I can play MP3s, surf the net, send-receive e-mail on my 3G GMS cellphone, it has a built in Japanese-English dictionary, 2 cameras (yeah), games, etc, it is 1.4cm thick flip phone, what the hell do I need to shell out 600 bucks for? I paid $50, signed up for 2 years, I just don't see what is the earth shattering deal about that product. Here in Japan every second phone has a TV feature now, why would I ever want to watch TV on a 2" screen (or on the navigation system in my car on a 6" screen, just because I can, I guess)? Or surf the Net for that matter, utterly useless in my view. I love technology, I just don't think that phone is such a big deal as some makes it out to be. I don't need to have my entire CD collection on my phone so I can listen to it through tiny, bad speakers.

Alex

Get a Mac.

B

YIP WAYYYYYYY better!

Get the best of both worlds. Run Linux. You don't have to reboot for a year. Recompile your kernel while playing games.

My Mac has been a flawless performer and runs all the software that I need. I have little interest in returning to Windows, which crashes more often than a 16-year-old with a Corvette.

Agreed. Lol.

I use both at work, PC and a Mac - Power Mac G5.

For day-to-day stuff, Internet, basic multimedia, etc., a Mac is awesome. Hassle-free.

However, I use mine for desktop publishing and imaging work. There are plenty of major hassles, believe me. Fonts and font management are a nightmare in OS X. Even with the updates and managers, they're still a nightmare. Different apps grab from different sources, it's a nightmare. Many clients we work with, including newspapers and magazines, still use OS 9.x and earlier versions of programs like Quark, simply to avoid this hassle. Then other clients have upgraded to say, Adobe InDesign and OS X. So you need to be able to handle both. Grrrr..

Just google 'font management' and 'OS X' for fun.

FTP support is built into OS X. Great feature! Only...you can't write back to the server. No matter what the server's permissions are set to, OS X enables all files and folders to 'read-only'. I'm presuming this is for security. Glad it's secure. Only...it's a useless feature. You need to download a third party FTP client, like Cyberduck. Sounds like...Windows? Then there's the issues with Finder not refreshing properly (fixed since Jaguar I think??) but it was annoying while it was there.

I've been running XP for a few years now and I've had ZERO hassles with it. Yes, you have to run a firewall and antivirus and keep them up to date, but that's simply the price for using the world's dominant OS. Simple as. I think many people simply do not know how to use Windows properly and/or neglect to update it and hence you get problems.

In this regard, a Mac wins hands-down. It is far easier to use 'out of the box' and for someone who doesn't want to have to constantly keep on top of their OS and enviroment, it's a no-brainer.

But all this talk of "Macs are perfect" is a little silly, IMO.

Just my $0.02.

True Mac and Linux are close relatives.


I spare the security and antispyware stuff Mac is just better. The main thing I like about Mac is the booting winders takes at least 4 times the time that mac does.

mac rarely crashes
mac rarely freezes
you don't need to add some little pos software everytime you do something.

It may be small but the one of the highest points on my list is PDF is native to the OS which I use a ton of so I don't get crashes when using pdf related utilities.

On Windows phones; don't make me laugh they are all the biggest POS's available, Blackberry is the ONLY phone that is worth a crap IMO.

I recently got a samsung blackjack and absoluetly love it. Don't anticipate changing anytime soon!:)

I hear that is a good device.

Its cool yes, I just don't know how practical it is. I mean my currant phone can take pics and video. I only use them when I am deathly bored because they suck. For pics a digital camra is many times better. Internet access? Yeah I guess I could do that as well but I don't want to spend the extra $5 a month. What for? Check email online maybe, check MLS online ok I could see that. Still for the one or two times I actualy use it $60 a year?

I don't know I just think its a toy, a cool toy yes. I'm not trading in the Razor anytime soon.

Excellent. Has a bunch of toys that I have not had the time to tinker with, but the reception is great, the features are easy to use, the internet is wonderful for a mobile device and it fits anywhere.

I like it so much I actually went out and bought a plastic pda screen protector to preserve it.

:)

Now that we are on the subject of mobile phones, I wanna get a real goo dbluetooth earpiece that I won't have to replace every two months.

Suggestions?

The only issues with this phone will be

Service with cingular (I have had nothing but good service)
The data plan (hopefully they offer a flat rate for unlimited data like tmobile)
The price ( I am tempted for the 8 gig model but I paid 250$ for 30 gigs.. so a wait for a larger one may be in order)


I do hope they use this new touch screen technology on the next generation iPod. It has been a long wait for this technology and it will pay off. Apple is now king of the DAP world.

www.ilounge.com/forums - great ipod related forum (member since 2002)

There stock went up.....

I was pretty pumped up about the I Phone until I saw their deal was exclusive with Cingular. I'm a loyal Sprint customer. If they ever include Sprint as a partner, I'm going to be on it like a big dog!

I'm happy enough with my Razor as well, but the iPhone is pretty damn cool!

The only problem with these tech gadgets is that their coolness factor lasts about a month, until the NEWER and even COOLER device is released. Total swindle. All these manufacturers should have to incorporate a trade-in and recycle program to deal with all the instantly obsolete devices they create.

What I love about the Razor most is the mini-USB hookup. Brilliant and long-overdue feature. So I can charge the phone right off my PC as I work, and you can dump data, media, etc. to and from your PC easily onto the phone.

I still like my Treo, but it won't hot sync to my computer anymore. The day it requires a hard reset, I'll be screwed. I figure that Apple's phone will work even better tha Palm's does. I think things like the I Pod have driven people back into Apple computers. I know I'll never buy another Windows POS again.

Oh, you'll have that gadget by years end I'd put my Chihuaua on it.

Care to take a drive down to the Gadgeteria with me, Mistress?

Compared to my Razr, this thing looks like a brick. I don't know if I could go back to 1991-size pocket cellphones after living with StarTacs and Razrs for the better part of a decade.

Pricey little devil too. I fondly recall when I was the first on the block with a deluxe analog StarTac, complete with all accessories, for the bargain price of $699. Six months later, you could buy two for that price.

Well I like my iPaq Windows Mobile phone.

No real complaints.

Cingular does have an unlimited data plan, but it is pricey (40/month I think).

Finally, My XP system has been flawless for ages now.
Video driver causes some minor issue's, but a reboot cures that.
I have 2 NVidia cards, with 4 monitors. Soon to be 3 cards and 6 monitors, try that with a Mac.

2meg ram, and run Virtual PC and/or VMWare at various times.
I'll have 4 or five XP machines running at once, sometimes a Linux image or two as well.

I do abuse my workstation, installing, testing, and uninstalling a lot of software. So I do some testing in a VM, neat technology.
Yet I don't have any issue's, and don't spend a lot of time doing Msft updates.

40$ sounds decent to me. I wonder how many minutes they would include 500 is enough for me. That and unlimited texting would rock.

I have been using the latest greatest Moto and like it. YMMV

check out www.howardforums.com

The nice thing about the Razzor is it fits so nicely in my pocket. I hate those belt clips for the phones, actualy thats why I bought a Razzor!

Misinformation.

I have NEVER had any trouble finding and/or adding any peripherals or software to my Mac. And I have done so many, many times. And they DON'T have to be made by Apple. The myth that everything is Apple-proprietary is just that: Myth.

In fact, the ONLY thing I recall having purchased that is an Apple product, other than the computer itself, is a new keyboard--Not because it was my only option, but because I liked the clear/white aesthetics of the Apple model.

Adding peripherals to a Mac could not be easier. There is no "sweet talking" it into working, as I have experienced with Windows machines SO many times... Installing a new video card on my mother's brand new PC a few weeks ago was a 1 1/2-day long nightmare! Ditto for the last time I had to install a sound car for her, a year or so ago on her old computer. Ditto for the printer problems I helped a friend with the other day. Ditto for the USB 2 card I helped someone install in his Compaq last month....

When I get a new piece of hardware, I plug it into my Mac and it WORKS. Period. That's it. No struggle, no driver conflicts, no rebooting two dozen times, no dealing with MS-DOS, no "please wait while windows is unable to find the software for your new hardware" messages, no calling customer support, no headaches of any kind.

With VERY few exceptions, any software worth owning that is available for PC is available for Mac nowadays.

Hell, for those who just absolutely, positively can't live without Windows for some insane reason, you can easily run Mac OSX AND Windows on the newest Intel-based Macs!

Speaking of OSX... Although it is LINUX-based, it is NOT "nerd-oriented" like the many versions of LINUX/UNIX are... You don't have to be a programmer or know any mysterious language or secrets to use a Mac. OSX is AT LEAST as user-friendly and low-maintenance as the Windows interface... in fact, it is MORESO in many ways: I don't have to spend time updating my virus software once or twice a week and running virus scans. I don't have to worry about defragmenting my hard drive all the time. I don't have to reboot periodically to cure mysterious glitches and quirks (In fact, I can't even REMEMBER that last time I turned my Mac off!)...

So when someone comes around wondering what to do about their Poltergeist-infested PC (which is inevitable).... My answer will ALWAYS be "Get a Mac."

I am not trying to be elitist, it is just a fact.

After spending VERY EXTENSIVE time using both, I have found that Macs are simpler, easier to use, more stable, more reliable... superior in almost every way.

Sorry if the truth ruffles some feathers. It is hardly the first time.


Mike

Exactly Mike, I used to rag on Apple's until I had the opportunity for an extended demo. It is not talked about much but Apple real strong point is the easy addition of peripherals and especially networking tasks.

I am not a fanboy if Windows was better I would use it but for now its Apple.

I use Winders at work. It works, and somebody else pays for it.

At home I use Macs. They work and I pay.

If Winders stops *****-slapping me I'll buy one for home use.

I for one am deeply grateful for this new breakthrough product from Apple. I've been concerned for some time now that our youth have been unable to get access to the sort of like, hot tunes, man, that they desperately need to compete in today's world.

If our youth have a shortage of music stored on their portable devices, why, the consequences are just too horrible to contemplate. Only by having mass, mega hot jams at our disposal will we finally be able to bury all this 'hippies playing guitars and singing' crap.

Further, any bottlenecks at downloading ringtones will hopefully be alleviated by this device, freeing up all sorts of productive energies for our nation's economy.

Hope it has spell-check.

B

R U kding me OMFG U need to lrn aol spk.

http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html

Oh dear, as I suspected, I did indeed misspell one word in my missive. Alleviated gets two "Ls." Oh, woe is me.

So who's getting one?

I'm going to wait til my current contract goes up in november and will probably get a blackjack instead...

I might...eventually. :rolleyes:

Very sick of our society's keeping up with the Jones' technology gadget race where you are usually a glorified lab rat stuffing someone else's (read Jobs, Gates, et. al) pockets with your hard earned cash.

Everything high-tech starts off stupid expensive, and it's 'cool' and 'elite' to have the newest thing. Then it gets old fast, a newer version comes out - inevitably smaller and faster - and everyone on the cutting edge with money to burn buys those and your prized gadget is now 1/2 its price. And 'so yesterday'.

So...I'll give it time for others to work out the inevitable bugs, network issues, and for the carriers and the market to perform their back and forth dance until some decent rates are offered.

Maybe by the time the iPhone Nano comes out, I'll jump on.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, mind. ;)

Let me put it this way: If my bag phone still worked I'd use it.

B

I felt tempted when the hype began, but my Treo 650 is working just fine. Maybe once they've gone through the initial phase and the bugs have been worked out and the prices have come down.

I live Sprint service. Until they offer a Sprint-compatible I Phone, I'll be using what I've already got. I'll NEVER own a smart phone with Windows saftware on it. Or a car. Or a stove, refrigerator, house, boat, headge trimmer,lawn mower, . . .

'iPhone Neuro' ? It that a special design upgrade for cell phone neurotics?