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Old 01-28-2007, 04:56 AM
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i'll agree they were built cheap and rust out.if you ever find one that the doors actually close ya better buy it.there used to be a coupe like that in a gravelput about 20 miles from me,it had the rubber front and back bumpers on it though,it was hemi orange.the guy would not sell it.if its still there its gotta be rusted beyond recogniton.

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Old 01-28-2007, 09:29 AM
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The Seller has brains - sell this sucker now while the suckers are buying. In 15-20 years that'll be a $500,000 car because my generation couldn't care less about a 1970 muscle car (I'm a child of the 80s).
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Old 01-28-2007, 09:40 AM
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although the functionality of cars of this era made in us, was very inferior to a mb, they actually were very high quality in the drivetrain and would go a lot longer than a benz of the era given equal maintenance.

the driving dynamics though were horrible. wouldnt turn or stop worth a hoot. but they would go like hell in a straight line with the big motor. in this era you could get any mopar engine in any body style. from an enemic slant six to the mighty hemi!

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Old 01-28-2007, 10:26 AM
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We had a circle of Hemi Convertibles at Meadowbrook 2 years ago. There was a 'Cuda worth about 3 million there.
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:30 AM
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The Seller has brains - sell this sucker now while the suckers are buying. In 15-20 years that'll be a $500,000 car because my generation couldn't care less about a 1970 muscle car (I'm a child of the 80s).

Yeah they do nothing for me, its a $50k car tops to me if restored to a solid daily driver. They handle like crap, the interiors don't do anything for me, and the quality is suspect.

To me a 959 or a 288 is much more of a dream car than one of these.
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Old 01-28-2007, 11:17 AM
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The supposed high-bidder withheld his ID. I imagine shills would want to hide that.
That's not the doing of the bidder, unless the bidder also happens to be the seller . It's a "private listing" in which all bidder's ID's are suppressed - seller's choice.

FYI, even for auctions that are not configured as private listings, eBay now sometimes anonymizes the bidders as "Bidder 1", "Bidder 2", etc. This can be the case even when viewing the bid histories for completed items. From eBay:

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As the internet evolves, eBay continues to strike a balance between preserving transparency and protecting our Community of members. eBay has decided to change how bid history information is displayed so bad guys cannot target bidders with fake offers using this information. In certain cases, some bidders will no longer be able to view Bidder User IDs on the Bid History page. Your User ID will be shown only to you and the seller of the item you're bidding on. Other members will see an anonymous name, such as Bidder 1, applied consistently to the Bid History page.
Personally, I don't particularly care for any of this; I prefer greater transparency. I doubt that the folks who run eBay particularly care how I feel about it, though!
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:53 PM
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The second one sold for about 700K and looks much more like the eBay listing than the first. Except that the eBay car claimed to be complete, but did it say that the numbers matched? Perhaps so, but still, the high bid could be considered to be what the car might be worth, after a complete restoration.
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Old 01-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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That's not the doing of the bidder, unless the bidder also happens to be the seller . It's a "private listing" in which all bidder's ID's are suppressed - seller's choice.

I doubt that the folks who run eBay particularly care how I feel about it, though!
I wondered about that, since all the IDs were hidden.

I never drove a Hemi car but I did drive a larger car with a 440 and that is some serious raw power. In the smaller Cuda, would have to be really fast but I'm thinking of the classic Ferraris one could buy with those $700+ Gs.
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Old 01-28-2007, 01:36 PM
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No,no..this cannot be. I'm in the midst of negotiating for a Goddamn Bugatti type 40 for $35,000.00 and we have this misbegotten piece of poorly cared for crap for how much?Jeez! my partners and I just sold a Superbird with matching #'s for only $20,000.00. Something's wrong.
Uh, yeah. I know the whole thing about the baby boomers trying to recapture their youth but that's what they were saying when the Ferraris were the thing around '89-90. I think this is just crazy. In 1985, had you asked me whether I would rather own a W126 or that purple Dodge Challenger belonging to the hicks down the street (at the time)... I would have looked at you as though you were insane. Well, I guess I made *my* choice. See sig.

I agree with Hat, $50K car tops in top shape. Peter Egan of R&T agrees, BTW, I read his thoughts on the bizarre Cuda mania but I can't find the issue. It was in Side Glances.

It's just part of the rednecking of America. When I can buy a nice house in Scottsdale, a new E class, a new Mustang GT ragtop (which does basically exactly the same job as the Cuda!), and a *FERRARI DAYTONA CONCOURS WINNER* for the cost of a Plymouth Barracuda, something's gone awry!!
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Old 01-28-2007, 01:42 PM
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Awry, indeed.
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:02 PM
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Even a rusted, engineless bare frame will fetch good money. Anything that was an original HEMI.
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Old 01-28-2007, 03:52 PM
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The american musclecars were an obsession of mine my whole life growing up. I built them up more, bought and sold them every aspect of them. I have lost almost all interest in them though, because they've just become so ridiculous. The fakes out there are endless. Did yu guys know there are more SS Chevelles, and Camaro's of any given year out there, than were ever produced to begin with. You can buy plane jane six cylinder car,put a 454,and muncie 4 speed in it w/proper 12 bolt possi rear-end, and slap on some SS emblems. Making a clone is too easy, you can make all the numbers match very easily also,and people wouldn't even know the difference. When they talk about numbers matching on these old muscle cars, they're only refering to the block , tranny, and rear end being from a cast batch from the year the car was made. In other words, if the car is a 1970 big block 4 spd 12 bolt, the tranny, motor, and rear-end should all be 1970 big block 4 speed 12 bolt. It does not have to be the set that came in the car from the factory. You can have vin tags made, by any number of companies out there producing them, as well as build sheets,and window stickers. If you do them in the correct order,and have them made by these companies everyone's the fool. First the vin tags are easy to get done. The companies don't varify anything and they'll take your word. You can have any vin tag made w/a phone call. Next step, build sheet. theses guys are a little more witty,and they ask for a vin# to show what options you've got etc. Last step after that window sticker. Call classic industries,and they'll ask you for a copy of the build sheet (which you've already falsified,along w/vin number)and the vin number. Voila!! You'll get your brand spankin new window sticker made up and sent to your door for a 1970 SS454 Chevelle,w/black interior, or whatever packages you can think of putting on it. All numbers match now, too. That's the problem,and why I just lost interest. There are afew details I might have skipped, but that's pretty much what these guys out there do.
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:11 PM
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The american musclecars were an obsession of mine my whole life growing up. I built them up more, bought and sold them every aspect of them. I have lost almost all interest in them though, because they've just become so ridiculous. The fakes out there are endless. Did yu guys know there are more SS Chevelles, and Camaro's of any given year out there, than were ever produced to begin with. You can buy plane jane six cylinder car,put a 454,and muncie 4 speed in it w/proper 12 bolt possi rear-end, and slap on some SS emblems. Making a clone is too easy, you can make all the numbers match very easily also,and people wouldn't even know the difference. When they talk about numbers matching on these old muscle cars, they're only refering to the block , tranny, and rear end being from a cast batch from the year the car was made. In other words, if the car is a 1970 big block 4 spd 12 bolt, the tranny, motor, and rear-end should all be 1970 big block 4 speed 12 bolt. It does not have to be the set that came in the car from the factory. You can have vin tags made, by any number of companies out there producing them, as well as build sheets,and window stickers. If you do them in the correct order,and have them made by these companies everyone's the fool. First the vin tags are easy to get done. The companies don't varify anything and they'll take your word. You can have any vin tag made w/a phone call. Next step, build sheet. theses guys are a little more witty,and they ask for a vin# to show what options you've got etc. Last step after that window sticker. Call classic industries,and they'll ask you for a copy of the build sheet (which you've already falsified,along w/vin number)and the vin number. Voila!! You'll get your brand spankin new window sticker made up and sent to your door for a 1970 SS454 Chevelle,w/black interior, or whatever packages you can think of putting on it. All numbers match now, too. That's the problem,and why I just lost interest. There are afew details I might have skipped, but that's pretty much what these guys out there do.

I will agree that there are probably plenty of fraudulent restorations out there. And, that there's a sucker out there to buy every one of them.

I would also like to think that some of these collectors that are shelling out the real big bucks are smart enough to do the homework on the car long before it even gets near some place like B-J.

You make it sound so easy to produce a fake. I’m sure it is. To some extent. But I don’t think the big collectors are going to fall for it all. Their going to find a glitch in there somewhere that throws up big red flags.

Many of them, that I’ve spoken with, even know the whereabouts of darn near every would-be big buck car in their field. Restored, for sale, or not.
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:49 PM
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as far as i know they didn't change anything from 66.so if they didn't you are incorrect,i guess i shouldn't say that,most people would think like your talking:if it's a 70 block in a 70 it's numbers matching.but in reality to have a numbers matching block the number stamped in the block on the right side deck, the last 6 digits must match the last 6 of the vin.i am refering to a 66ss which i have and it is numbers matching,i will agree though that as for intakes,heads,exhaust manifolds,trans and rearends,you just have to get stampings before your cars build date and nobody will be the wiser.but on my 66 the 1/4 panels are stamped with the first 5 digits of the vin 13817,which denotes an ss,these would be hard to duplicate,but if you didn't know they were there in the first place(uneducated)you wouldn't think twice about it.i like to go on ebay and check out 66ss's and just cut em apart.i see em with 67 dashboards,seats,steering wheels,door panels.incorrect p.s.,dual cyl master cyls.incorrect vin numbers,later engines and on and on.with all the companies making reproduction emblems etc it is pretty easy to make a fake that would fool 90% of the general public.heck you can even buy a whole new 69 camaro now days.
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:57 PM
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My buddy has got his '71 Super Bee tucked away in a garage. 440-6pack with pistol grip 4 speed. There are some other rare options on that one. Something like 1 of 99 built though.

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