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Old 01-29-2007, 11:35 AM
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Amen. One day, by accident, I popped into Seattle's Northgate shopping center while a display of, I forget, about 20 to 30 prewar Rolls Royces was underway. Oh man, there's something to spend your money on. If it's muscle you want, just spend $50 K of those funds on a used S600 and the rest on cars with some real character.
Oh man, I would buy:

1930's v12 Packard

Hispano-Suiza

Pegaso. The Spanish Sports car Pegaso was the brainchild of Don Wilfredo Ricart, an engineer who worked at the side of Enzo Ferrari. The goal was not only to demonstrate, that he could build faster cars than the Commendatore, but also to increase the prestige of Spain and to promote a new Iberian economy of the Fifties.

First presented at the 1951 Paris Salon, the Pegaso Z-102 claimed to be the fastest car in the world, and a speed test at Jabbeke in Belgium revealed a potential top speed of close to 250 kilometers per hour, the equivalent of 160 mph. In 1955 the even bigger and more powerful engines of the model Z-103 made their debut. With optional superchargers, the output was up to 350 hp and the top speed 170 mph.


Citroen DS19

1961 Jaguar E type

1950's BMW 503 sedan

and for a daily driver muscle car: 1970 Cadillac Eldorado, with the 500c.i. monster v8.

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Old 01-29-2007, 12:27 PM
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Oh yeah. Smokin' FWD burn outs, talk about torque!
Ha ha, you are right on. Nothing compares to a early '70s GM big body car, you can drive at 80mph and not hear or feel a thing. Plus they have disc brakes and ice cold a/c. The last of the land yacht cruisers. Build quality on the Buick/Olds/Cadillac cars was very high at the time.

My dad had a 1973 Buck Electra 225, with the 455 motor that he bought when it was less than a year old. Thanks to the gas crisis, we only used it for vacation or towing. It was like watching a ship leaving port when pops backed it out of the garage. Even though it got 10 mpg when towing, it could tow anything, we even moved a friends mobile home a few hundred feet with it once.
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Old 01-29-2007, 12:59 PM
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I love this thread..
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:37 PM
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I'm sorry, still not used to the way these things are set up. Sometimes when I type things out in the reply box they look a lot easier to read. Then once they get into the bigger, more spread out poster they look totally different.
Thanks for helping out though. I don't want to post anything you folks don't want, or can't read because it looks like a mess. I'll try and be more attentive to it.
No big. What I do is just shrink the box so that the lines are a lot shorter.

I used to be an aspiring writer and one of my clients makes serious coin as an editor so this is stuff I've spent a little time with.

Oh, and uh sorry, but you've got to hit the return key twice. The space between paragraphs makes it easier on the eyes to keep track of where you are.
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:45 PM
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Oh man, I would buy:

1930's v12 Packard

Hispano-Suiza

Pegaso. The Spanish Sports car Pegaso was the brainchild of Don Wilfredo Ricart, an engineer who worked at the side of Enzo Ferrari. The goal was not only to demonstrate, that he could build faster cars than the Commendatore, but also to increase the prestige of Spain and to promote a new Iberian economy of the Fifties.

First presented at the 1951 Paris Salon, the Pegaso Z-102 claimed to be the fastest car in the world, and a speed test at Jabbeke in Belgium revealed a potential top speed of close to 250 kilometers per hour, the equivalent of 160 mph. In 1955 the even bigger and more powerful engines of the model Z-103 made their debut. With optional superchargers, the output was up to 350 hp and the top speed 170 mph.


Citroen DS19

1961 Jaguar E type

1950's BMW 503 sedan

and for a daily driver muscle car: 1970 Cadillac Eldorado, with the 500c.i. monster v8.
That's quite a list. The father of my best buddy in Roswell bought an E-type just after the 2+2 model came out in the mid 60s. Didn't look as cool as the 2 seater but the ambience was still pretty cool. I only road in it a couple of times. They had two sons and I'm pretty certain the wife insisted on the 2+2.

I've always had a thing for an older D-type racer but those things are all but unattainable lessen you've got millions to spend.

The 50s Ferraris really do it for me.
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Old 01-29-2007, 04:17 PM
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I agree on the '71 Cadillac Eldorado. My brother had one and it was the smoothest ride. White droptop with a red interior and the 500ci. There's something about driving a car with six to seven feet of space between the headlights.

I had a '70 Chrysler Newport with a 440ci and a 727 tourqeflight trans. It would pass everything but a gas station.
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Old 01-29-2007, 05:23 PM
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Its hard to tell what cars will be hot in 30-40 years, when my generation gets to that age and wants to relive there past. I mean these muscle cars were rear and expensive new, most people couldn't afford them back in the day. My dad was into them back when he was my age and said you never saw those cars around. His friends would all buy the cheaper Mustangs and Camaro's and build them.

These days I think most people in my generation aspire to junk like ricers. I know today the cars that I aspire to but can't afford are all European, 355/360/430, 911T, S65, CL65 thats about it. 40 years from now will people from my generation be paying $1m for fully restored CL65's? Or $1m for fully pimped Honda Civic's? I don't know.

I agree about there being a lot of junk and clones out there. I'm a big W126 fan and can spot junk a mile away. Must drive the guys in the know crazy. I know when I spot fake AMG's it annoys me.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:39 PM
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I love the old boats and they are cheap to come by these days.

I had a '70 Olds Toro GT. That was the W34 optioned Toronado. It gave her an additional 25 horsepower from the 455 by using larger intake valves, a performance cam and a higher stall speed torque converter similar to a W30 442 option in a rear drive Olds. The compression ratio is 10.25:1. The final drive ratio is 3.07:1. 400hp and 510ft/lbs tq. Only made 5,341. Never deemed that collectible because of the FWD and you can still find a good example for $9K. Uglier than the '66-67 pop up headlight car, but better drivetrain imo.

I could burn a nice wheel, 20-30 feet. It did the 1/4 mile in mid 15's and 0-60 in 7.5 secs. Not bad for a tank. A Performer series Edelbrock carb and intake would have improved those #'s a bit.

Summer of '02, another driver didn't yield his left, so I ended up smashing her up. His car was a rental Grand Prix and in very sorry shape. The insurance co have me a fair $ and I got the car back. Olds nuts went crazy when I announced via the Old Club America and Toro Chapter the car was ready to part out. Sent parts out all the way to Alaska.

You probably read about it, but I can't help but reminisce.
That's a cool story, except for the part about being hit while driving it. The 1.4 mile time is pretty awesome, considering how heavy those cars were.

Dr. Olds would have been proud.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:46 PM
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That's quite a list. The father of my best buddy in Roswell bought an E-type just after the 2+2 model came out in the mid 60s. Didn't look as cool as the 2 seater but the ambience was still pretty cool. I only road in it a couple of times. They had two sons and I'm pretty certain the wife insisted on the 2+2.

I've always had a thing for an older D-type racer but those things are all but unattainable lessen you've got millions to spend.

The 50s Ferraris really do it for me.
The only way I could ever think about buying even one of those cars would be if I hit the state lotto, but I still enjoy the technology and materials used on those old classics. Wait, I might be able to buy a '70 Eldorado one day, but the monthly fuel bill would be huge, that's why I sold the 7.5 mpg Jeep Grand Wagneer. Oh well........

I forgot about the D-type, what a car. I think it was one of the first cars to yse disc brakes, made by Dunlop, who also made the disc brakes for the 300SL roadster and W112 300SE series in the early '60s.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:54 PM
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Its hard to tell what cars will be hot in 30-40 years, when my generation gets to that age and wants to relive there past. I mean these muscle cars were rear and expensive new, most people couldn't afford them back in the day. My dad was into them back when he was my age and said you never saw those cars around. His friends would all buy the cheaper Mustangs and Camaro's and build them.

These days I think most people in my generation aspire to junk like ricers. I know today the cars that I aspire to but can't afford are all European, 355/360/430, 911T, S65, CL65 thats about it. 40 years from now will people from my generation be paying $1m for fully restored CL65's? Or $1m for fully pimped Honda Civic's? I don't know.

I agree about there being a lot of junk and clones out there. I'm a big W126 fan and can spot junk a mile away. Must drive the guys in the know crazy. I know when I spot fake AMG's it annoys me.
I know what you mean, there is a real AMG W126 500SEL euro that is languishing at a gas station a few miles away. Black exterior, with grey velour interior. I remember when the guy bought it new, he drove it for aroung 15 years and when the hydro suspension started to fail he gave it to his teenager to use as a beater. It has some really cool options, like front and rear hydro suspension, Webasto gas heater, factory privacy curtains.... you name it. Plus, it's a real AMG, with full ground effects and wheels. What a shame to see a once mighty flagship reduced to a gas station relic(sic).
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Old 01-30-2007, 05:16 AM
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The only way I could ever think about buying even one of those cars would be if I hit the state lotto, but I still enjoy the technology and materials used on those old classics. Wait, I might be able to buy a '70 Eldorado one day, but the monthly fuel bill would be huge, that's why I sold the 7.5 mpg Jeep Grand Wagneer. Oh well........

I forgot about the D-type, what a car. I think it was one of the first cars to yse disc brakes, made by Dunlop, who also made the disc brakes for the 300SL roadster and W112 300SE series in the early '60s.
That's what I read, more than once, the disc brakes part. Said they could go a good ways deeper into the turns before hitting the binders. I guess they cleaned up for a while.

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E55.i had a 70 toro gt.i got it probably in the condition yours was in after the accident.guy here in town had it for years and me and a couple buddies tried like hell to buy it from the guy.finally one day go over to my buddies house and there it sets in the driveway.man was i pissed.anyway he had to run to his brothers house in omaha,so we piled in and took off.got back into town about 7 at night and heard of a big party about 20 miles away.so pile in the toro and off we go.about midnight we had enough,or i should say we had all they had to offer(the kegs were dry)so we head for home down a deserted back road.decide to pop some bob seger into the 8-track ,and start jammin.next thing i know we're cruisin at a pretty good clip i look over and the speedos up for round 2.say to my buddy drivin "hey theres a stop sign over this hill".this was about 3/4 of a mile before the stop sign,needless to say we went thru it at at least 80.decided right then we better get off the highway,so we catch a gravel that runs us into town on a back street.this road has two 90 degree banked corners.we make the first one alright but leaving the second one my buddy punches it(first time toro driver)the car lurches right into the ditch,so now were cruising in the ditch.we come up to a field drive so i tell him hit it between the shoulder and driveway and we can pop back up on the road.so he does and we do for about two seconds,because when he popped back up on the road he countersteered to the right and for some dumb reason(drunk) punched it again.zoom right back in the ditch.well this time we weren't so lucky instead of a driveway ,we had to deal with about a 10foot culvert.BAM car stops on the passenger side,bob seger just whailin away.we all flop to the pass side.it took all 3 of us to get out of that thing them doors are HEAVY.anyway we get out of the car. door slams shut and were standing on this gravel road.and bob seger is still whailin away.we said to hell with it walked to town and had breakfast before we went and got it out of the ditch.that day my buddy gave it to me.i still have the engine it's just setting on my engine stand with an offy and 2x4 afb's .just waiting for a car to put it in.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:21 PM
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I know what you mean, there is a real AMG W126 500SEL euro that is languishing at a gas station a few miles away. Black exterior, with grey velour interior. I remember when the guy bought it new, he drove it for aroung 15 years and when the hydro suspension started to fail he gave it to his teenager to use as a beater. It has some really cool options, like front and rear hydro suspension, Webasto gas heater, factory privacy curtains.... you name it. Plus, it's a real AMG, with full ground effects and wheels. What a shame to see a once mighty flagship reduced to a gas station relic(sic).
Where is this car located and is it for sale??

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