Just ugly....

[Hammertime]

Please someone, anyone give me a reason this guy deserves any rights...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17557851/

[Jim B.]

Whoa,... the guy is Innocent till proven guilty.

But if that happens...then, when it's time to sentence him.....I hope he gets hammered as hard as the law will allow. Most state's criminal laws have "senior citizen enhancements" that can be charged by the prosecutors in addition to the underlying robbery charge. Those enhancements will add LOTS of extra consecutive prison time when the victims are senior citizens.

End result is that it'll be a LOOOOOOOONG time before that m.f. EVER hears a wooden door slam. I hope.

[aklim]

Because either all citizens have the same rights or nobody has them. Why are you being selective of who has rights and who doesn't? Are all citizens, lowlife to cream of society equal or are we all equal with some being more equal than others? How would YOU decide who has what rights and who doesn't?

[Hammertime]

Well let's see....Hard cold proof positive of the crime in progress, This guy is "reportedly" on the run and harmed a 86 yr old woman just a few day earlier...But let's not get caught up on the "reported" crime rather let's look at the hard cold facts of the second crime on video....

Does this monster "deserve" every right that our justice system have available?

I mean what can his defense possibly be?

What purpose can one like this have on this earth?

Why should tax dollars be used to house this creaton?

And more importantly, for how long?

This jackass could have killed this old lady for what?....$33 dollars....
think about that this Sunday when you go over G'ma's for Sunday stew and think of what YOU would say if this was YOUR mother...

The elderley to me are a treasure, their wit, intelligence and experience has taught me a lot in my life but for some that never learned RESPECT in their own homes it is OK to take advantage of them. It then turns into a bleeding heart liberal contest of..."boo-hoo..what about HIS right's"....Hey what about HER rights? She was on her way to church...

somethings in this world just are not right.....

[Matt L]

It's important to protect his rights, because to not do so means giving all of the power to the state. Then we're all in trouble.

[Hammertime]

Originally Posted by aklim

Because either all citizens have the same rights or nobody has them. Why are you being selective of who has rights and who doesn't? Are all citizens, lowlife to cream of society equal or are we all equal with some being more equal than others? How would YOU decide who has what rights and who doesn't?

Kamil...is that you?

How is punishing the scourge of the earth being SELECTIVE? In fact the violator often utilizes his rights to furthest extent while victims lie in fear, shame..etc...

You make a remark like are all citizen's equal or are some cream of the crop...typical glib, liberal horse*****...and frankly that's a big problem here in the US because some exploit the rules in place for the sake of "fairness". It was has career criminals locked up for decades and ties up the justice system.

Why is it so hard for some in this country to identify a spade as a spade?
If you exploit, kill, harm another for whatever reason then I ask why should you get the very benefit of rights that you took away from another. Again, I am not talking about stealing a car here or shoplifting some candy or magazines....we are talking once again hard, cold proof positive of a violent crime...

[Jim B.]

Originally Posted by Hammertime

Well let's see....Hard cold proof positive of the crime in progress, This guy is "reportedly" on the run and harmed a 86 yr old woman just a few day earlier...But let's not get caught up on the "reported" crime rather let's look at the hard cold facts of the second crime on video....

Does this monster "deserve" every right that our justice system have available?

I mean what can his defense possibly be?

What purpose can one like this have on this earth?

Why should tax dollars be used to house this creaton?

And more importantly, for how long?

This jackass could have killed this old lady for what?....$33 dollars....
think about that this Sunday when you go over G'ma's for Sunday stew and think of what YOU would say if this was YOUR mother...

The elderley to me are a treasure, their wit, intelligence and experience has taught me a lot in my life but for some that never learned RESPECT in their own homes it is OK to take advantage of them. It then turns into a bleeding heart liberal contest of..."boo-hoo..what about HIS right's"....Hey what about HER rights? She was on her way to church...

somethings in this world just are not right.....

My feelings for the victim are congruent with yours, (rage about this) but I think the defense attorney in a jury trial would burn a peremptory challenge on you and have you excused from jury service on this case.

For starters, suppose he gets caught in another state, and refuses to waive extradition. He can drag that process out.

In fact the defendant is entitled to every Constitutional right afforded him, including, as I said, a presumption of innocence. It's up to the prosecutor to prove he committed the crime. First he gets a preliminary hearing, where the evidentiary rules are somewhat relaxed, and all the prosecutor has to prove is that he "probably" did it, if this burden is met, he's bound over for trial.

To make it worse, he has a Constitutional right to post bail, even if it's REAL high, like a million dollars. The bail has to be "reasonable" uinder the Constitution.

Defense? Anything he wants, How creative can his defense be? He was high on meth, or booze and doesn't remember anything about it. You got the wrong guy, mistaken identity. Claimed he wasn't there and didn't do it. Not his fault because he pi$$ed in the sandbox when he was a kid.

To get a shorter sentence, he might try and "plea bargain" for a shorter sentence. EVERY criminal case, ALWAYS has a "Pretrial conference" where the DA and Defensde attorney sit down in front of the Judge and discuss the facts of the case and the possibility of a plea. Any plea bargain would have to be approved by the Judge, and of course, the DA, Defense attorney AND the defendant. UNFORTUNATELY, the victim seldom if ever gets their voice heard in plea negotiations. Pleas of guilty under this system "resolve" over 90% of the criminal cases, without a jury trial, otherwise the Criminal courts would totally gridlock.

For the length of his sentence, if convicted, see my remarks above. It could vary. He will ask for an apology from the Prosecutor and a ride in the mayor's limousine, and depending on the pre-sentence report of the probation department recommends, letters from victim and friends, letters from the defendant's family saying what a good guy he is and never been in trouble before, and depending on what his physical health and age is, how many PRIOR CONVICTIONS he has, and for what, and the discretion given for the sentencing, ie, choice of (for instance) 2, 4 or 6 years for robbery convictions, and whether it's a 3 strike (3 felony convictions) maybe life, with or without possibility of parole, EVERYTHING is to be considered by the Judge. Only the Judge will be able to pass the sentence. No one else.

Heck, he can even appeal his conviction, and ask for release on bail or O.R. pending appeal.

I hope they apprehend the guy quick, before he reoffends.

I KNOW you want to get a coil of rope and a pickup truck, and be done with it, (and I know how you feel) but who knows, with luck , he might meet with an "accident" while riding in the jail elevator, or "fall down the stairs" on the way to court while being escorted by the deputies, or "resist arrest" and get asked by the cops if he was a movie star, had he ever had the screen test? (Screen test, is when the suspect is cuffed in the back of the squad car, which accellerates to 80 mph, then oops, there's a cat in the street, and the squad car hits the brakes hard. Three times.)

Did I say that? Nah, those things NEVER happen.

[Hammertime]

Different recipe...same animal......

Sexual predators would face tougher sentences under Florida bill
BY STEPHEN MAJORS
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- During a month of online conversations with a 12-year-old girl, the middle-aged man asks personal questions and grooms her into feeling comfortable with him.

He arranges to meet her in a mall parking lot for sex. But when the man drives up, police pounce - the 12-year-old girl was actually a law enforcement agent.

It may seem like a crime worthy of a decade or more in prison, but current Florida law only allows a predator who travels to meet a minor for sex to be charged, if no contact occurs, with online solicitation - a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

"We don't have any greater punishment for that, and that's not very much of a comfort," said Attorney General Bill McCollum, who is pushing to change the law. "But for our intervention, you are right on the cusp of doing something horrendous."

The Legislature is on the verge of passing a bill that would make traveling to meet a minor for sex after initiating contact on the Internet a second-degree felony, punishable by up to 15 years in prison. By also increasing penalties for the possession and distribution of child pornography, the legislation would severely punish offenders at every step of their transformation from voyeur to predator.

It would also allow every online conversation to be treated as a separate crime, and would require sexual predators to register their e-mail addresses and instant messaging names with authorities. That information would then be provided to the social networking sites, such as MySpace.com, that have become so popular with children in the last few years. The bill is all-but-certain to become law in the coming weeks after the House and Senate work out a technical difference.

All states can classify the online enticement of a minor as a felony, according to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Currently, Florida is one of 19 states that enable judges to sentence offenders to less than a year in prison. Its five-year maximum penalty is less than many other states, and the federal statute requires a minimum of 10 years in prison.

Florida is charting relatively new ground by creating the new crime of traveling to meet a minor.

"It's probably one of the most intelligent ways to tackle the problem," said Charles Rose, a professor at Stetson University College of Law, who recalled only Texas as having a similar measure. "The goal by doing that is if you make every step of the process criminal activity, you hope it deters people, and if it doesn't deter, it allows you to punish at a greater level."

The new law would enable offenders to be punished severely for their demonstrated intent without actual contact with a child. It also provides for a more severe penalty if there isn't enough evidence to prove a crime such as attempted sexual assault.

The impetus behind the bill comes from the publicity surrounding shows like Dateline NBC's "To Catch a Predator," Rose said. The network teams up with law enforcement in exposing a predator who has traveled to the home of a minor after initiating contact online.

Maureen Horkan, director of Florida's child predator cybercrime unit in Jacksonville, told lawmakers during the committee process of an example where she was almost hamstrung by current law.

Authorities were tracking a man in Jacksonville who was using a public library computer to chat online with what he thought was a 13-year-old girl. After two online conversations, Horkan said, the man arranged to meet the girl. When he showed up, he had a hunting knife between his car's front seats. Because the man turned out to be a seven-time convicted felon from New York, Horkan said she was able to get him a long prison sentence.

But without that criminal history, she would have only been able to charge him under the existing solicitation law at a maximum of five years in prison.

"He would have had to take action (to receive more)," said Horkan, who told lawmakers she had no doubt that the man's intention was to harm the child.

But the new penalty might have a similar glitch to other legislation combatting sexual predators - it may entangle people it wasn't designed to catch.

Unlike some other states, Florida's existing online solicitation law, as well as the new measure set to be passed, do not provide penalties or guidelines specific to victims or perpetrators of certain ages. The spirit of the law is to catch predators preying on young children, not the 18-year-old having a consensual conversation with, or traveling to the home of, a 16-year-old.

"That's always the danger with dealing with crimes of human sexuality," Rose said. "These particular crimes are so emotionally charged that they can lead to abuses on the part of the government."

How Florida's law is implemented will depend on the discretion of the prosecutor.

"We're adjusting to the impact that the change in technology has had on the ability of offenders to acquire victims," Rose said. "The Internet has given them a hunting ground they didn't have before. We didn't realize the extent to which enticement was occurring."

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Finally !!!!, this is what we all CAN do...lobby....exploitation is exploitation and that is what needs to be addressed IMO....not all the other junk that bogs down the wheels of justice. There are some that state, "It's important to protect his rights, because to not do so means giving all of the power to the state". No one I believe is prepared to give away our "power" I think, but if I had to choose I would rather have an elected official push for strong justice than leave it up to a coin toss....

[Hatterasguy]

This is why I could never be a cop. If I were a cop and arrested this guy I'd teach him to pick on someone his own size. We would be talking a walk out behind the police station to work him over real good with a rubber hose filled with split shot. I'd be like, oh he tripped in fell down the stairs, yeah down the stairs.

[catmandoo62]

Originally Posted by aklim

Because either all citizens have the same rights or nobody has them. Why are you being selective of who has rights and who doesn't? Are all citizens, lowlife to cream of society equal or are we all equal with some being more equal than others? How would YOU decide who has what rights and who doesn't?

NOBODY has the RIGHT to do what that scumbag did.i hope the locals catch him and beat him into using a walker like her.

[Jim B.]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

This is why I could never be a cop. If I were a cop and arrested this guy I'd teach him to pick on someone his own size. We would be talking a walk out behind the police station to work him over real good with a rubber hose filled with split shot. I'd be like, oh he tripped in fell down the stairs, yeah down the stairs.

That really happens, as I said (above). "Screen test", "Ride in the Jail elevator", "fell down the stairs on the way to the booking room" etc
The cops know all too well the workings of the criminal justice system,
and how the loopholes can get misused. A little rough justice sometimes gets meted out, especially if the cops think it might be the only chance for it.

This guy would be in REAL trouble if he had the misfortune to elect to rob a member of a COP's family. That would be a real mistake

[aklim]

Originally Posted by Hammertime

Kamil...is that you?

How is punishing the scourge of the earth being SELECTIVE? In fact the violator often utilizes his rights to furthest extent while victims lie in fear, shame..etc...

You make a remark like are all citizen's equal or are some cream of the crop...typical glib, liberal horse*****...and frankly that's a big problem here in the US because some exploit the rules in place for the sake of "fairness". It was has career criminals locked up for decades and ties up the justice system.

Why is it so hard for some in this country to identify a spade as a spade?
If you exploit, kill, harm another for whatever reason then I ask why should you get the very benefit of rights that you took away from another. Again, I am not talking about stealing a car here or shoplifting some candy or magazines....we are talking once again hard, cold proof positive of a violent crime...

Yeah, I guess you are right. Your pet issues should trump all. Wanna suspend or remove the constitution while we are at it? Should we go to a "guilty until proven innocent approach"? Would be cheaper. Accuse this guy and he has to find the best lawyer to prove he is innocent or we just lock him up.

[Hatterasguy]

Originally Posted by Jim B.

That really happens, as I said (above). "Screen test", "Ride in the Jail elevator", "fell down the stairs on the way to the booking room" etc
The cops know all too well the workings of the criminal justice system,
and how the loopholes can get misused. A little rough justice sometimes gets meted out, especially if the cops think it might be the only chance for it.

This guy would be in REAL trouble if he had the misfortune to elect to rob a member of a COP's family. That would be a real mistake

Good I really don't have a problem with low lifes getting the crap beat out of them like that. Sometimes thats all the understand. The animals that pray on children to should ge a nice long elevator ride.

[Hammertime]

Ok...I just had a root beer and a little meeting with myself and now I am calm again.....

I just do not understand one thing;

why does it seem that the emphasis on protecting rights is always leaning towards the violator and not the innocent? It seems we are consumed in making sure the violators' rights are protected but I ask why isn't it that we place emphasis on protecting the innocents rights?

[aklim]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

This is why I could never be a cop. If I were a cop and arrested this guy I'd teach him to pick on someone his own size. We would be talking a walk out behind the police station to work him over real good with a rubber hose filled with split shot. I'd be like, oh he tripped in fell down the stairs, yeah down the stairs.

Make that a doctor or a nurse too. You get all sorts of perps coming into the ER and the hospital for treatment.

So what job can you do? You are going to run into scumbags in ever job.