Originally Posted by suginami

That is a beautiful quote, Carleton. Very apropos considering we are being overrun here in So. Cal. by Mexicans crossing the border illegally.

Originally Posted by mikemover

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged."


~ President Abraham Lincoln~



Quite apropos, considering current events.

Mike

Originally Posted by mgburg

The ONLY THING Congress is reflecting on is how to get a Dem in the White House. If Bush could, somehow, be blamed for the tornadoes in Kansas this weekend, they'd be bringing it to the House and Senate floors this coming Monday morning.

As far as polls go - If those things had any truth in them at all (Which way is the wind blowing right now, and am I in the correct room to get the results I need?) we'd be kissing a Dem's @55 in the WH right now.

But we aren't.

Polls had the Dems winning everything in '04. Didn't work worth 5hit.

I'd be happy if all pencils, radios, televisions, newspapers and telephones disappeared 60 days before an election. Just stick the candidate on a train, plane or automobile, get his @55 out to the people, then stick his @55 on a soapbox in the middle of town and let HIM (non-gender descriptor) tell us in his own words what the hell he's about.

I don't need someone else's interpretation of what THEY THINK he said. If he's too dumb to say it himself CLEARLY, then that's his loss.

Our problem is we let these goofballs (pols) off the hook by letting someone else tell us what they're about. Then the polititian can use the "denyable plasibility" (sp?) excuse to say "I didn't say/mean what was said..." B.S..

Using polls as an excuse to perform an action or to prove a point, IMHO, is a sign of an arguement that's been lost.

Originally Posted by Emmerich

Don't get too cocky, that poll from last November told the Republicans they weren't do their jobs, in essence, they weren't "Republican enough". It was not an embrace of the Democrats. They were just the default (and only) alternative. Poll after poll show the country does not trust democrats with their security.

Congress does NOT reflect the will of the people, when was the last time congress did anything that the first consideration was not "how does congress benefit?"

Originally Posted by mikemover

"Several ways to look at it"?????.....

Looks like a pretty straightforward and no-nonsense statement to me. I don't think he had your "creative interpretation" of it in mind when he said it.

And Congress reflects NOTHING nowadays, except their own desire to get re-elected.

Shall we discuss TERM LIMITS for Congress once again????....

At least the office of President has term limits, so that the damage that can be caused by any one of them is minimized....

Originally Posted by Larry Delor

Polls are propaganda tools.

Originally Posted by Austin85

I understand the intention I think, but when the people in charge are F****'n up so royally, either you react or you sit back and watch the house burn down......

This country deserves alot better than what the admin has laid on it in the last 7 years. Even Lincoln would be calling for impeachment of the dope.

( not Bill.)



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Originally Posted by dynalow

I ask this: 5+ years after 9/11 are we slipping back in to a state of denial? We do have short memories!

At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum,of Springfield, Illinois (January 27, 1838), p. 109.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Elections are a grand poll in themselves -- a pretty accurate one.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

OK, let's throw congress overboard and try the Arab street version of airing differences.

Originally Posted by DarkOneSK

agreed. Not me however. This is old, but effective. Time to wake up now.
Heroes
If that doesn't do it I have an extremly heartwrenching audio letter by a little girl to her dead father who died in the towers attack.
Warning! this is extremly sad. It WILL break your heart.
The Saddest song you will ever hear. "Message to Daddy".

Originally Posted by mikemover

Al Gore supporters apparently didn't think so a few years ago.

Mike