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Old 06-20-2007, 06:25 PM
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Then why do you try so hard to impose your own beliefs on others? I recall you calling people morons that do not agree with you.

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Ahhhh... it was only a matter of time before good-ole-boy-Jeff resorted to this kind of tactic. I guess that is what you do when your back is up against a wall, eh?

You show me where I have called a person a moron for not agreeing with me... You said it, put up or -- shut up.

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Old 06-20-2007, 06:30 PM
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Ahhhh... it was only a matter of time before good-ole-boy-Jeff resorted to this kind of tactic. I guess that is what you do when your back is up against a wall, eh?

You show me where I have called a person a moron for not agreeing with me... You said it, put up or -- shut up.
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:16 PM
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somwhere in all of this lies a happy medium....
Exactly, and that's the point I have been trying to make.

If you go back and re-read the posts, I am on record as personally opposed to abortion on moral grounds, but in favor of keeping legal.

Abortion on demand at any time shouldn't be allowed.

Late term abortions on perfectly normal fetuses in a healthy woman that would be viable outside of the womb shouldn't be allowed.
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:33 PM
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Dang, I'd say "2 points Howitzer".
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:36 PM
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The Pro-Choice way is the AMERICAN way. FREE -- FREE to do what they wish with their body.

The Pro-Choicer doesn't try to tell you what you can and can't do with your body. Have the baby = fine. Have the abortion = fine.
You act as if the fetus doesn't exist and has no rights.

Only those on the Left can believe that the human fetus carried by a woman is "her body." A woman's teeth, breasts, legs, hair -- all these are her body. But the human fetus is another's body. The narcissism of your wording -- rendering a human fetus as of such little value that it is "fine" to have an abortion -- is shameful.
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:42 PM
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My way is simply, my way. You are free, as an American to believe what you wish -- however -- if YOUR beliefs force themselves on me, then we have a problem.
Why do you believe that it is only the Right that is trying to take away your rights or freedoms?

Look at what the Left has done. Everything they disagree with or find offensive they legislate: Some men harass women? Pass laws banning virtually every flirtatious action a man might engage in vis a vis a woman.
Flood legislatures with laws preventing the creation of a "hostile work environment."

By definition the left is preoccupied with more government control of people's lives. It is astonishing that this obvious fact is not universally acknowledged and that the Left has somehow successfully portrayed itself as preoccupied with personal liberty with regard to anything except sexual behavior and abortion.

Taxation is another obvious example. It is difficult to imagine greater government control of a person's life than forcing the person to give half or more of his honorably earned money to the state under threat of being imprisoned. All rational people acknowledge the need for taxes — who other than the state should pay for police, roads and national defense, and serve as the last resort for the truly helpless? But all rational people should equally acknowledge that the greater percentage of one's money the state forcefully confiscates, the less liberty the individual has.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:02 PM
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Dang, I'd say "2 points Howitzer".
I get "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." for both those links... so I don't know what "2 points" you're talking about.
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I get "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." for both those links... so I don't know what "2 points" you're talking about.
there is more than two, I guess search links expire the links provided too many to counts quotes by yourself. I do wonder why you would ask unless you drunk post and forget, it was an easy challenge.
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Ok -- so I'll take that to mean the links don't work. Hence -- you got nothing.

Now... back to the topic. (But you gave it a nice try. Personally attack me when your position isn't strong.) -- Would have thought you would be better at this by now.
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You act as if the fetus doesn't exist and has no rights.

Only those on the Left can believe that the human fetus carried by a woman is "her body." A woman's teeth, breasts, legs, hair -- all these are her body. But the human fetus is another's body. The narcissism of your wording -- rendering a human fetus as of such little value that it is "fine" to have an abortion -- is shameful.
Spoken like a person that feels it is OK to take rights from others.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:58 PM
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Since when... does one have the right to murder??.......

Last time I checked...taking a life....is murder.....
But whether it (fetus) is a life or not is so far an opinion.
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No brainer......If it is alive....It has life....DUH............
Patient comes into the ER. Doc declares the patient dead. What are the tests the Doc uses. Apply it to the fetus. If the fetus passes the test, it is alive and should not be murdered, killed or whatever you call it. If it fails the test, it is not alive and you can do as you wish.
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In a society where children have an active sex life, abortiion is one necessary evil one can ill afford to get rid of.
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I should add that i used to be all for it until I saw a guy on TV who was wrongfully accused and was released from death row after 18 years of confinement. I changed my tune on the spot.
Ok. So why are you ok with sending someone to prison? What if they spend the rest of their lives there but are found not guilty later on? Are you so sure that every man sent to prison is guilty? If so, how? If not, how can you send them to prison? Oh, that's right, he has the rest of his life left. Sure, you take away, say, 18 years of his life. Now, how will you pay it back? But that's ok. You can comfort yourself that he has the rest of his life ahead of him so you sleep easier at night.

Me, I realize that NO justice system is going to be perfect. Yes, some mistakes might be made. I am NOT happy about it but I also realize it is the best solution we have at the time.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:07 PM
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Pro-Choice is the happy medium. If you want an abortion, you get one. If you don't want one, nobody will force you to.
But some people will see it as their mission in life to force you not to be able to have one because they see it as wrong.

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