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Botnst 06-07-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar (Post 1529621)
Jayhawk has suffered an emotional breakdown.

How will we ever dry his tears?

If he wasn't so precisely diametrically obnoxious I'd ask him over on the theory of an acid-base antidote.

B

Botnst 06-07-2007 08:18 PM

That bastard Bush is everywhere!

B


Nagin Suspects a Plot To Keep Blacks Away

By Hamil R. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 17, 2007; A07

New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin has suggested that the slow recovery and rebuilding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina -- which has prevented many black former residents from returning -- is part of a plan to change the racial makeup and political leadership of his and other cities.

"Ladies and gentlemen, what happened in New Orleans could happen anywhere," Nagin said at a dinner sponsored by the National Newspaper Publishers Association, a trade group for newspapers that target black readers. "They are studying this model of natural disasters, dispersing the community and changing the electoral process in that community."

Nagin's remarks Thursday night recalled the controversy stirred up by his prediction in a Martin Luther King Jr. Day speech in 2006 that, despite the evacuation of thousands of black people in the wake of Katrina, New Orleans would once again become a "chocolate city." The mayor later apologized for the comment, which had infuriated many whites and African Americans.

Nagin, who won reelection last May over Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, referred obliquely to the "chocolate city" comment at the dinner and suggested that his assertion that New Orleans would once again be a majority-black city had made him a political target.

"Everybody in America started to wake up and say: 'Wait a minute. What is he doing? What is he saying? We have to make sure that this man doesn't go any further,' " Nagin told a room full of black newspaper publishers and editors at the Capital Hilton.

Referring to Landrieu, who is white, as "the golden boy," Nagin suggested his chance at reelection in the mayoral race had seemed slim because "they dispersed all of our people across 44 states with one-way tickets."

"They thought they were talking about a different kind of New Orleans," Nagin said. "They didn't realize that folks were awake, that they were paying attention."

Surf-n-Turf 06-07-2007 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Designo_E320 (Post 1529567)
What a stupid, uneducated, ignorant, and a moronic,and redneckish thing to say! Make an arguement if you have the capacity to do so.

Watch what you say there boyo. Since you do not know me, it would be wise not to judge. Argument? Who's having an argument? It's simply debate.

Surf-n-Turf 06-07-2007 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Designo_E320 (Post 1529599)
The eight years under Clinton were the best years this country had seen since Washington.

Because?? Give us examples.

Designo_E320 06-07-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf (Post 1529639)
Then MOVE THE HECK OUT!!!! Goodbye, see ya, have a good life in the outland. This country is not worthy of your greatness. Save yourself while you can. Leave us all to flounder in the swelling cesspool. Oh, sorry. No conviction? Seems the crappy life here is too good to leave? Typical.

Watch what you say there boyo. Since you do not know me, it would be wise not to judge. Argument? Who's having an argument? It's simply debate.

Yup a debate:rolleyes: (MOVE THE HECK OUT!!!!!) Right, I gottcha

Surf-n-Turf 06-07-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Designo_E320 (Post 1529620)
OK, now here is a sobering thought for everyone, and I mean EVERYONE regardless of your affiliations:
Bush has now killed more Americans than the terrorists did on 9-11.":mad::eek:

How many did JFK kill then? Johnson, Lincoln, Truman, Washington?

Palangi 06-07-2007 08:34 PM

It ain't rocket science
 
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1529276)
WE had similar weapons in Turkey and Iran long before the Cuban missile crisis.

You are correct sir. Similar weapons. Missles capable of tossing warheads 1500 miles or so. By definition, those would be OFFENSIVE weapons. Different than the SDI type weapons being discussed for intercepting Iranian missles aimed at Europe. Those would be, by definition, DEFENSIVE weapons.

The Ruskie missles in Cooba absolutely were OFFENSIVE weapons. Surely the perfesser knew that. Why would he deliberately mis-state that fact??? What purpose does it serve to make a post like that??? I dunno, maybe just to get in yet another "Blame America first" lick, I suppose.

Designo_E320 06-07-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf (Post 1529641)
Because?? Give us examples.

Trade,
No deficit,
Had surpluss
Budget was balanced
Economy was booming
Israeli Palentine peace process
The world respected USA
We had the moral authority tha does NOT exist.
We made more friends than enemies.
No a single life lost policy in our military operations (IE Bosnia)
This list could go on and on but you should get the gist.....

Designo_E320 06-07-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf (Post 1529645)
How many did JFK kill then? Johnson, Lincoln, Truman, Washington?

None of the above LIED nor mislead. There is a difference. The current situation was deliberate!

Surf-n-Turf 06-07-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Designo_E320 (Post 1529657)
None of the above LIED nor mislead. There is a difference. The current situation was deliberate!

Are you like 12 yr old?? I don't mean that as an insult so much, but before you can honestly join into any "debate" such as this, check your info before you give it.

I can appreciate your evident disdain for the current admninistration, just make sure it's your own and not what you have been coached to do.

Designo_E320 06-07-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf (Post 1529686)
Are you like 12 yr old?? I don't mean that as an insult so much, but before you can honestly join into any "debate" such as this, check your info before you give it.

I can appreciate your evident disdain for the current admninistration, just make sure it's your own and not what you have been coached to do.

What's 12ish about my comment? BTW I never take anything personally and no I did not take it as an insult. Even if you did insult me, I can take it bro.:)

Palangi 06-07-2007 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Designo_E320 (Post 1529657)
None of the above LIED nor mislead. There is a difference. The current situation was deliberate!

Ever heard of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution??

Surf-n-Turf 06-07-2007 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Designo_E320 (Post 1529688)
What's 12ish about my comment? BTW I never take anything personally and no I did not take it as an insult. Even if you did insult me, I can take it bro.:)

They all lied. All politicians lie. And good men and women died for all these Presidents. Over what?? Difference of opinion? JFK got us into Vietnam. Lincoln was reponsible for the most US deaths in wartime. Johnson was a war-mongering idiot who just wouldn't do the right thing. Truman did what needed to be done. And Washington, if you believe the stories, was a hero. Maybe. Maybe not. I imagine to some, Genghis Kahn was a hero.

Botnst 06-07-2007 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf (Post 1529705)
They all lied. All politicians lie. And good men and women died for all these Presidents. Over what?? Difference of opinion? JFK got us into Vietnam. Lincoln was reponsible for the most US deaths in wartime. Johnson was a war-mongering idiot who just wouldn't do the right thing. Truman did what needed to be done. And Washington, if you believe the stories, was a hero. Maybe. Maybe not. I imagine to some, Genghis Kahn was a hero.

Just as a point of argument, I do not think that in the USA, people die for their president. They usually don't die for their country, either. They would prefer not to die for their buddy and most would prefer not to die at all.

I don't believe folks in the military join for love of their leader. They often join for love of their country and will risk death for that love of country -- that is what I call patriotism. In the final analysis, men in combat perform extraordinary feats of heroism, not for a pretty medal, nor for the leader, nor for their country. They do it for themselves and for their buddies, the only people on Earth that they would rather die than fail.

That does not mean that all leaders are necessarily unworthy of respect or even admiration. In my opinion, most political leaders and most military leaders are unworthy of admiration and of politicians particularly, most are undeserving of much respect. Some few are worthy of admiration and even emulation, but they are or were only human and as with us all, had human failings. None are, or ever will be living gods as the Romans revered their cherished heroes.

What I fail to understand is why so many people fail to distinguish between some transient political leader and the country that the leader temporarily represents. I believe this is the birthplace of the "hate America First" syndrome.

B

t walgamuth 06-07-2007 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf (Post 1529705)
They all lied. All politicians lie. And good men and women died for all these Presidents. Over what?? Difference of opinion? JFK got us into Vietnam. Lincoln was reponsible for the most US deaths in wartime. Johnson was a war-mongering idiot who just wouldn't do the right thing. Truman did what needed to be done. And Washington, if you believe the stories, was a hero. Maybe. Maybe not. I imagine to some, Genghis Kahn was a hero.

you mean that about lincoln in a negative way?

tom w


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