WE DON'T TORTURE..........legal combatants. The rest? Who cares? useful information can be gained by compliant techniques.

Gitmo does not torture, nor do US forces. Intelligence gathering agencies are in charge of that, so if you think "Pvt Joe Snuffy" is out there with the cattle prod to the genitals, you have been watching too many bad movies.

FWIW, "Fresh Air" on NPR is about as reliable source as Jerry Springer, just packaged better. Terry Gross needs to stay focused on interviewing musicians....

Abu gharib was NOT torture.............please......

OMG poor Tom--you couldn't have used a worse example to make your point One of the biggest scofflaws of our OWN Constitution.

I caught that show--good show. Guy wouldn't say whether waterboarding was considered torture though, remember?

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FWIW, "Fresh Air" on NPR is about as reliable source as Jerry Springer, just packaged better. Terry Gross needs to stay focused on interviewing musicians....

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The interviewee however, was the former second in command at the CIA, who gave a little more than you may be able to offer on the subject, I suspect.

How about "Because it puts us at a severe disadvantage."? Or how about "Because we would be stupid to insist that they play by our rules instead of us playing by the rules of the game."? Some card games have rules that vary based on where you are playing. Are you telling me you play by the rules of the game at that place or do you play by the rules of the casino you usually go to?

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Anyone that has been through SERE had a chance to go through water boarding, it can be the longest 5-10 seconds of your life, people trained to resist water boarding can make it 30 seconds, which used to be a requirement from what I gather this is not longer a requirement. With that said almost all SF personal Air Force pilots and some Soldiers go through the SERE training and go through all of the allowed interrogation techniques so why should it be illegal to put people through the same punishment we subject our own soldiers to?

. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.
"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

I have been through SERE...waterboarding is a ***** and you do feel like you are gonna die..... 5 - 10 seconds of it seems like an hour. Khalid SM must have nerves of steel, in addition to knowing that we don't kill folks in interrogation......

I was waiting for you to post because I was pretty sure with your TIS you did the SERE, did you do it at Lewis or Bragg? I made it about 10 seconds but gave up fairly easy but like you said it seems like a years 2 or 3 more seconds would be like an eternity.

I also learned that coughing is NOT involuntary.

Werd!

So is beheading of captives but it happens. GC crap was written a long time ago in a very different situation. The captives are fighting with tomorrow's tactics while we are fighting with yesterday' tactics.

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Why are you quoting me?

Because John Sifton doesn't have a Userid for me to quote? You are the next best thing.

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Hey that's my job! Remember we had an agreement, no practicing within a 20 mile radius of the dungeon.

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Discussion of so-called torture reminds me of that AZ sheriff that dresses prisoners in pnk coveralls, has only disney (or the sheriff, reading children's stories) on TV and his prisoners in tents. Is that "cruel and unusual"?

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