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Botnst 02-27-2008 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1776794)
A gun absolutely has a purpose. Anything manufactured or produced by a human being has a purpose.
No, people (may) have purpose, an inanimate object cannot. In order to have purpose, one must have volition.

cudaspaz 02-27-2008 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1776803)
No, people (may) have purpose, an inanimate object cannot. In order to have purpose, one must have volition.
Correct, unless the inanimate object malfunctions while perched loaded at the tub full of school children which is highly unlikely, but possible.

So the inanimate object has validity as a threat in this sense, but it is also highly unlikely for someone to test this scenario.

Sorry, no offense, just throwing more semantics into the mix.

Brian Carlton 02-27-2008 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1776803)
No, people (may) have purpose, an inanimate object cannot. In order to have purpose, one must have volition.
purpose: 1. the reason for which something exists.

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cudaspaz (Post 1776815)
Correct, unless the inanimate object malfunctions while perched loaded at the tub full of school children which is highly unlikely, but possible.

So the inanimate object has validity as a threat in this sense, but it is also highly unlikely for someone to test this scenario.

Sorry, no offense, just throwing more semantics into the mix.
Semantics are good, these are the rules by which we communicate.

B

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1776818)
purpose: 1. the reason for which something exists.
Yes. And whose purpose is served?

Brian Carlton 02-27-2008 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1776821)
Yes. And whose purpose is served?
OT again........I simply proved to you that a gun can have a "purpose".......even though it doesn't have volition.

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1776825)
OT again........I simply proved to you that a gun can have a "purpose".
Wrong as usual.

You demonstrated that they are brought into existence for a purpose. You did not demonstrate that they are purposeful.

Or are you arguing that they have reason which brought them into existence? Give them a Turing Test, I demand it!

Brian Carlton 02-27-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1776828)
Wrong as usual.

You demonstrated that they are brought into existence for a purpose. You did not demonstrate that they are purposeful.
You claimed that an inanimate object cannot have a purpose. I proved that you are incorrect. A gun can have a purpose. Every object will have a purpose.

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:22 PM
Google is your buddy.

Purpose in its most general sense is the anticipated aim which guides action.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose

Brian Carlton 02-27-2008 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1776832)
Google is your buddy.

Purpose in its most general sense is the anticipated aim which guides action.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose
BTDT. The definition that I offered to you above was #1.........there really is no argument.........you're incorrect on this one.

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1776829)
You claimed that an inanimate object cannot have a purpose. I proved that you are incorrect. A gun can have a purpose. Every object will have a purpose.
Inanimate objects cannot have purpose. They have a use or function.

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1776834)
BTDT. The definition that I offered to you above was #1.........there really is no argument.........you're incorrect on this one.
Go read the Wiki entry, it goes into excruciating detail. None of it's discussion follows your (mis-)usage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose

Read it and weep.

Brian Carlton 02-27-2008 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1776835)
Inanimate objects cannot have purpose. They have a use or function.
An inanimate object can (and usually does) have a reason for which it exists.

Therefore, it has a purpose.

Botnst 02-27-2008 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1776838)
An inanimate object can (and usually does) have a reason for which it exists.

Therefore, it has a purpose.
Bother yourself to read the wiki entry. I implore you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose

Brian Carlton 02-27-2008 08:29 PM
Read the #1 definition:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purpose

It's you that's off the mark, yet again.


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