Are you saying what they are doing now in DC works? What is your solution to the DC crime rate?

(In an effort to stay as politically correct here as possible.)

I’m not saying anything about what is and isn’t working in DC. Nor, what will and wont. (I guess I should have said: Work the same way.)

I’m saying that there are quite a few factors involved with regard to where mandatory gun ownership will and will not work. It’s not a blanket solution.

i.e. In a small southern town of a few thousand folks is one thing. In a big city (such as DC) full of gangs, poverty, various levels of mental/physical/financial stability is quite another.

If you can’t see, as well as understand that. I can’t explain it to you, and wont waste our time trying.

BTW (and for the record) – I am by no means anti gun. I own a few. Quite a few. And a CHL/CCL. I carry quite often.

However (as I told Bot) - I just get sick of hearing from folks whos "big picture" is actually a wallet sized black and white image they drew up and printed themselves.
(That’s not necessarily directed at anyone in particular. Though it certainly could be.)

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WVOtoGO said it right. I've looked into that stats before and it's easy to cherry-pick them to support any belief you might have. My impression is that overall legal gun ownership doesn't seem to affect the murder rate. There are peaceful, relatively heavily-armed countries like Finland and Switzerland, and there are peaceful, virtually unarmed societies like Japan. There are also violent societies like US and Mexico where US is heavily armed and Mexico is not. It's got everything to do with how civilized and peaceful the population is. The US has a long way to go.

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As to your last question, I don't know, the guns were supposedly purchased and owned legally, however only Utah allows on-campus guns so it doesn't matter if this guy had a CCW or just a standard permit as either way he was breaking university / city regulations. As to your other comments, I will not argue. I already stated what I stated and haven't changed my opinion regarding the fact there's no magic bullet for this problem.

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You said: That is why I asked if he was a CCW. You see there was that report that showed that CCW people committed very few weapons crimes. Odds are way better than Joe Citizen

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Odds are way better that one legged hippies have committed less weapons crimes than Joe Citizen, too.


You can mock cops re: Dunkin Donuts all you want, but if you don't see how cops running into a room full of people brandishing weapons is more dangerous than cops running into a room with one clear villain, then you're being deliberately obtuse. But then, you ignored my comments about the increased danger of friendly fire incidents with more friendly fire in the air, too.

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Don't want them, don't need them. All I have needed them for is to fill up my reports so I can claim insurance. Oh, yeah, that and try impress me with their power. Note, I don't mind you writing me a ticket. Write the ticket, ask me if I have any questions, STFU and go off. Don't try impress me on what you can do or harass me. Or is that too much to ask?

Well, if your goal is to make their life easy by being the sheep lead to the slaughter, go for it. I prefer to defend myself. Is your scenario going to make it more difficult for the cops? Probably so. Assuming it isn't over by the time they get there. However, since they will take several minutes at the very best, I'd rather have a fighting chance than just hoping and praying that none of those shots hit me.

Which place would you rather stand? Next to the perp or next to the few people with a gun trying to get the perp? Friendly fire and all? Somehow I think I am safer with the larger group. Again, I am not for shoving a gun into everyone's hand. You want to CCW? Sure. Get certified and trained. Oh, whats that? You are a felon? Sorry. Had a violent past? Nope. Don't want to go thru training and certification? Stand aside

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I'm not a big fan of cops either. I just don't want more bodies on the ground because a cop shot a couple CCW holders because they had their guns out.


This is where it seems you either can't get it or don't want to. You are not safer in the middle of two sides shooting at each other. And given the fact that CCW holders don't all sit next to each other, you're really in the middle of five or six or seven sides. Now here come the cops. Come on, you can't tell me a couple kids don't get dropped by some friendly fire ever. Considering 80% of the bullets flying aren't coming from the villain.

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Given that you have to be over 21 to have a CCW, I can see another drawback here. It would do nothing in high schools and even on college campuses most students are under 21. A potential shooter would just plan on shooting up a 1st or 2nd year class or just go straight to the dorms.

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CCW/CHL would also allow faculty and staff to carry legally.

That might help a bit but it would also make them the primary target.

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Yes...a target that can defend itself. A target that is not a child. A target that should be responsible in their decision making.

Last point is that concealed is concealed and the Bad Guy would not necessarily know which faculty and staff are armed. It could be the janitor or the principal/president.

I've decided to get my daughter a Glock for her high school graduation present. I want her to be ready for college at Virginia Tech in the Fall!

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I can make a gun in my garage. How are you going to ban that?

The NICS check is not guaranteed to actually be instant. The answer has to be returned within three days if memory serves, or the buyer gets the gun without the check. Perhaps this time period should be lengthened, but it certainly should not be eliminated. To do so would mean that the government can suddenly make it impossible for any gun store to complete any legal sale at a whim.

Other delays don't make the NICS any more accurate. They only serve to assuage fears of someone going down to buy a gun in anger. As Homer said, "Five days? But I'm mad now!"