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tankdriver · #46 02-22-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rwthomas1

Regarding the maturity of college students and CCW it should be a non-issue. The process of getting a CCW will shake out the immature quite handily. Most CCW states require 21years of age. Are you now going to tell me that 21 is not enough? We already send 18yr olds to foreign countries armed with rifles to KILL people even though they can't drink a beer legally. When is one mature enough? 30? 40? When the gov't says we are?

For one thing, most college kids are under 21, so if CCWs are a deterrent, the nutjob would just shoot up 100-300level classes. That's why allowing professors makes more sense.
Second, college is an insular, unique world. A 21 yr old not in college, living in the real world with a real job and real bills, etc. is different than a 21 yr old in college. This is not to say that being in college should stop one from being able to own/carry, just that I don't have a problem with college rules disallowing guns on campus.
As for the military, I think you can concede that life in the service, especially on deployment, is quite different from regular everday life in America. For one thing, high school doesn't start with boot camp.

rwthomas1 · #47 02-22-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

For one thing, most college kids are under 21, so if CCWs are a deterrent, the nutjob would just shoot up 100-300level classes. That's why allowing professors makes more sense.
Second, college is an insular, unique world. A 21 yr old not in college, living in the real world with a real job and real bills, etc. is different than a 21 yr old in college. This is not to say that being in college should stop one from being able to own/carry, just that I don't have a problem with college rules disallowing guns on campus.
As for the military, I think you can concede that life in the service, especially on deployment, is quite different from regular everday life in America. For one thing, high school doesn't start with boot camp.

All the more reason why persons that have passed the CCW requirements be allowed to carry on campus. According to you there wouldn't be many qualified people so what would be the harm?

As far as life being different in the military, that goes without saying. What you may be missing is that many students are ROTC, junior ROTC, active military, retired military, etc. If they fit the CCW requirements then why not? And maybe High School should start with boot camp!

RT

rickg · #48 02-22-2008, 07:12 PM

Should I be using synthetic motor oil in my Subaru?

Matt L · #49 02-22-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rickg

Should I be using synthetic motor oil in my Subaru?

You can't hijack this thread without a gun.

firemediceric · #50 02-22-2008, 09:09 PM

Keep all of the guns off of campus. Let the students remain like fish in a barrel with no way to protect themeselves and relying only on the campus wannabe cops.

It's amazing that despite carrying a .40 Glock 22, a Kahr PM40 and a Kel-Tec .32, an automatic knife along with non-lethal defenses such as pepper spray (and having used them in a public setting) I've never been charged with a crime. I guess it's just a matter of time before my ego or temper causes me to go nuts at a campus.

What about my PPD/Schutzhund trained assetts?

Skippy · #51 02-23-2008, 12:31 AM

Concealed carry on campus by qualified individuals sounds like a good idea to me. UNR could really use that right now: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327367,00.html

engatwork · #52 02-23-2008, 09:01 AM

I'm all for putting as much firepower into as many law abiding citizens hands as possible. The non-law abiding idiots aready have them and are not concerned with obtaining a permit. I would think that these idiots at least give it a thought (I may be wrong here) on which of their targets may be packing. On the other hand if they are in somekind of drug induced stupor they probably don't put much thought into it.

Here in Macon just recently an elderly couple was robbed after a thug asked them for a ride from the Cracker Barrel store to accross the road or somewhere. The thug got into the backseat and threatened the lady driver with a knife and robbed them. Obviously the couple was from out of town and did not realize how bad the thugs were in this area. Anyway, this is an incident where the passenger, if he had been carrying could have blown the thug away but that is not what happened. Thankfully, after the thug had robbed them he jumped out and ran away not harming the couple. The unfortunate thing is that the thug lived to do it again.

You do not want to get into a position where the only people packing are the ones that are doing it illegally. One other thought comes to mind. Isn't it the goal of fascist states to insure that the citizens are unarmed?

aklim · #53 02-23-2008, 09:27 AM

Twice I have been in need of a firearm. Both times I was glad we had it.

I was walking back from load testing in a field which I had permission to shoot. It was near the house so I didn't want to drive. Walked back and a car passed me and stopped about a quarter mile ahead. Well, could I have run? Probably but I don't think I can get to a phone before their car caught up to me. Had to keep walking. 3 guys came out and wanted money and had knives. Bad move. Dropped my checkbook and pretended to get money in my jacket. Took out Mr Ruger. They decided they were just kidding and didn't want any trouble.

I was in Gurnee Falls with another couple. She decided she had to have the bathroom NOW. Her husband stopped. We had no idea what she wanted to do. Seemed like she was taking a bath. Found out later that she was primping herself after taking a leak. WTF? We were going to dinner. Well, a guy walked up and started talking to my buddy. We were in the minivan. He was driving and the wife and I were behind. Suddenly he pulled out a knife and told my buddy that he could slit my buddy's throat from where he was. Buddy acknowledged and asked the wife to bring out "baby". Again, he was kidding and offered to sell us his "Rambo" knife he paid $300 for $30. We should have robbed him there and then but we told him to leave.

Brian Carlton · #54 02-23-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Twice I have been in need of a firearm. Both times I was glad we had it.

I was walking back from load testing in a field which I had permission to shoot. It was near the house so I didn't want to drive. Walked back and a car passed me and stopped about a quarter mile ahead. Well, could I have run? Probably but I don't think I can get to a phone before their car caught up to me. Had to keep walking. 3 guys came out and wanted money and had knives. Bad move. Dropped my checkbook and pretended to get money in my jacket. Took out Mr Ruger. They decided they were just kidding and didn't want any trouble.

From what I understand from those with full carry permits, you don't ever pull the weapon unless you're going to use it. It's not a threat and it's not for brandishment.

In the stated situation, you'd be in full compliance with the law if you took all three of them out.

Any reason why not?

Note that I don't hold a CCW, so there is no preconceived action that I would have taken.

connerm · #55 02-23-2008, 05:38 PM

Here in VA, if you brandish, you go to jail and get your picture in the newspaper. Carrying a concealed handgun makes me unbelieveably calm, collected and forgiving. I yield to everyone. My doctor says its good for my health. Imagine that. Nothing and nobody rattles me when I'm carrying. I am also very careful about where I go and try very hard to keep me and my family out of potentially bad places and situations.

By the way, I graduated from NIU and attended lots of classes in Cole Hall. Prayers to the families.

Lexxani · #56 02-23-2008, 05:56 PM

We got this hip-hop crowd who carry guns as we law abiding citizens carry our keys, c'mon now. If you have a Carrying Concealed Weapon permit (CCW as they are called here in FL), then the state of where ever you are says that they are confident that you are of quality character and will behave in a responsible manner, otherwise, that license would not be issued, and you'd be like the hip-hop crowd, carrying illegally and going to jail. I'd have no problem with my fellow students carrying weapons on campus, provided they are proficient in their usage, which a general assumption about anyone with a CCW permit is that they understand and are proficient in arms usage. I would obtain my CCW permit and carry a gun myself if I was permitted to do so on the campus of my university, if not for my own protection but to protect others in the event that something like that went down where I was at. I'm not in any way in fear of that happening, but a a law abiding graduate student, I'm not gonna be the only one without one.

aklim · #57 02-23-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

From what I understand from those with full carry permits, you don't ever pull the weapon unless you're going to use it. It's not a threat and it's not for brandishment.

In the stated situation, you'd be in full compliance with the law if you took all three of them out.

Any reason why not?

CCW or not, you NEVER pull out a weapon unless you are willing to use it.

Yes I would be.

Only the definite certainty of paperwork. I take them out and there will be questions, explanations, etc, etc. Sure, I'd be justified but if I can avoid paperwork without jeopardizing myself, I'd just as soon do it.

Skippy · #58 02-23-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

CCW or not, you NEVER pull out a weapon unless you are willing to use it.

Yes I would be.

Only the definite certainty of paperwork. I take them out and there will be questions, explanations, etc, etc. Sure, I'd be justified but if I can avoid paperwork without jeopardizing myself, I'd just as soon do it.

Very true. There was a guy some time ago on Glocktalk who was involved in a self-defense shooting. The bad part is that one of the local politicians decided to make his life difficult and was able to get him charged with manslaughter. He was aquitted, but it took several weeks and many thousands in legal fees. And his girlfriend, who was present for the shooting, ended up leaving him.

connerm · #59 02-23-2008, 08:10 PM

Lexxani,
You should learn everything you can about using your firearm to protect the life of someone else. I believe that there is a legal distinction between using deadly force to protect your own life and the life of someone else. Florida has reciprocity and honors my Virginia-issued CCW - this is one of a few reasons why Florida gets more than a few of my family's dollars.