Quotes by tankdriver: "It's because liberals are diverse, and conservatives are not."
WHAT???? You have got to be kidding me! You don't know many or any conservatives do you? We have more points that we can agree on, true, but conservatives are very diverse and we come in different colors and races too!:D

"There hasn't been more than two kinds of Republicans in 60 years. There are more kinds of liberals than you can shake a stick at. One can't pander to a diverse group, one would spend too much time talking about a slew of topics - only a small portion of which any one listener would care about."
You don't know many Republicans either. Who would have thought there would ever be a group of law abiding, gun toting log cabin Gay Republicans? Not me! I know that most Republicans find more in common than liberals will. I'll agree with there are more kinds of liberals than you can shake a stick at. But in my experience living in areas of the country heavily liberal, I can honestly say that although they pretend otherwise, liberals really don't like much, especially each other! This was my personal experience living in places like San Francisco, Seattle (the worst place ever), Los Angeles, New York, etc.

"Liberals are generally smart enough not to blame their counterparts for everything. Liberals spread blame among many. That makes for a more difficult show, and one would tend to sound like a ranting lunatic."

Since when have liberals not blamed their counterparts for everything? RODLMAO!:D With liberals spreading the blame around to many, who could argue with them sounding like raving lunatics! They sound like it because THEY ARE!!! The blame goes around with a flame suit on, but there is hardly ever any real facts to back up their baseless arguments! That is what makes them sound like lunatics who are full of crap! :D:argue::rolleyes4

"I would only hate to debate any of those guys if it was on their own show. Let me pick the cameraman, producer, and editor and I'd take any one of them on."
Now there we can TOTALLY agree!:D A liberal on his own show will never let you make your point without shouting you down! This is why Al Franken couldn't make Air America pay it's bills. His constant raving and ranting led everyone to believe that he was and still is a bitter and sour individual. I've seen very few liberals ever back up an argument with facts, including Al Franken!

I believe that Air America really backfired. It convinced a lot of people that being a conservative isn't really bad and definitely numbers of conservatives are growing as well as Republicans. True liberals and Democrats are growing smaller in number everyday and I firmly and solidly believe that this is why there is so much pandering to the fringe element out there, they need all the bodies they can get!:D

The one thing I can honestly say that I like about Rush Limbaugh is that he gives everyone the oppportunity to come on his show and debate with him without fear of reprisals or talking down to them. ;)

I forgot about that!!!! Thank you for bringing that one back up! So much for the freedom of speech thing!:D How true!

I think he would also include an Operation Chaos bumper sticker and T-shirt for Berkeley residents.

Bob Casey

Has a RNC ever had a pro-choice speaker?

Edit: pro-choice not anti-choice.:o

Some of both sides, IIRC. Swarzennegger, and Powell are pro-abortionists and have given very high profile speeches while most viable candidates for the presidency since Reagan have been anti-abortionists.

Interesting!
Rather than agree with the point--you change the subject.
The claim was that democrats, being liberals were tolerant, and alowed, even sought, diversity.
The Bob Casey non-speech completely destroys the liberal diversity claim.
So, what does a good liberal do? he attacks! "You do it too!"

In point of fact, as Bot has posted, pro choice Republicans do get national speaking exposure.

So again, Which is the party of diversity?

Congrats from Rush, cmac--you have created a 57 post discussion about him that wasn't present before......you may have even encouraged some who haven't posted but are curious to listen to his show.;)

Ta-dah!

I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is no diversity inside the Democratic party, but the people who rise to the top in that type of organization are often the most zealous partisans. Diversity is not always at the top of their list of important values.

The exclusion of Governor Casey from speaking at the convention (I remember it as the 2000 convention, but I'm not sure about that) was foolish, IMHO. It made the Party look as if it is afraid of opposing views.

Relax it was a honest question. I don't agree 100% with everything
the DEMs do. Not sure you can judge diversity on this one fact.

Thanks Bot.

But it is one fact.
It is something that goes into the equation; not to be ignored as an inconvenient truth.

I have to comment on the title of this thread.

It is ironic ( at least to me) in that the originator was incorect in his analysis of Rush, and therefore was advertising that it was his analysis was incorrect. :)

Is there a reason that most academics, scientists, artists, and the extraordinarily wealthy have a liberal point of view? Does liberalism not equate to forward thinking while conservatism looks more to maintain the status quo or even return to the past?
Doesn’t the rapid growth of world populations, and the consequent effects, add a new dynamic to the mix that requires progressive thinking?
Why can’t people understand that the abortion and gay marriage issues are only tools the Repos use to attract voters to an agenda that is otherwise biased to voters making more than 300+K?
The fall of the dollar is ultimately the undoing of all but the super wealthy, and letting the foxes loose in the henhouse by over deregulating and under taxing the foxes, has been a purely Repo deal.
Who was it that pointed out that a conservative is not necessarily stupid, but that most stupid people were conservative? If you get out much you must have noticed that there’s a lot more lackies.

Please tell me that your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek.

His brush is no wider than your sweeping denigration of what you think is a liberal.

I think crash9 is pretty close. The way a good researcher makes his eternal credibility is by overturning a warmly held paradigm. People who embrace the status quo, a pretty good definition of conservatism, will be less likely to overturn the paradigm -- it goes against their core values. I sure don't want a buncha stick-in-the-mud, if-it-was-good-enough-for-gramps researchers. I want risk-takers. I want people who will attack the dogma of accepted perspective.

This is also why I would never, ever want an academic in a position of great political power -- I don't want a natural risk taker running my life. I want somebody niggardly with my life and treasure to accept the mantle of power.

B

Hey hey! Did you read the news today? Chrysler offers a promotional fixed price guarantee of $2.99 on gas for 3 years, when buying certain new model vehicles.

How's that for marketing politics? Certainly blows every quality concern out the window, doesn't it?

... completely unlike your molecules ... ;)

Whut he say?

He started a thread which amounted to the current number of posts, rather then creating it.

Why not? Let's beat up 'Limp Rush' ...

What you got to look at, is the number of views, next to the # of posts.
It's called "silent participation" ... :cool: ;)

Ha!

Last eight years of simplemindedness is enough I tell ya.

It wuz risk-taking, I tell yuh, risk!

I am not sure I accept the definition of a conservative as a promoter of the status quo. I know that is a pretty much accepted description, but I don't buy it.

In my world, a conservative is one who favors small government. Also a person inclined to self reliance, as opposed to those rely on government or a "village".
With government spending at unprecedented high levels, and with no prospects if reigning it in, A true Conservative is a basher of that status quo.
With government run ( read liberal control) of education and the disnal state of the "graduates", a Conservative is a basher of that status quo as well.

I could go on, but is it necessary? Have I demonstrated that conservative does not necessarily equal one who wants to preserve the status quo?
Maybe I am a radical conservative?

I agree that a conservative person doesn't necessarily want to preserve the status quo. I think that a conservative person favors traditional values and the traditional way of doing things, which is why W is not conservative.

The people who believe as you are not, and have not been in power for over 150 years. Should by some wonderful circumstance they came to power they would most assuredly NOT be conservatives.

They would be highly radical, true liberals in the mold of Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, Madison, Henry, and Washington, in 1775. NOT conservative at all.

B

I always thought I was a century out of time; now Bot tells me it a century and a half. Well I have aged 50 years since I first had those radical thoughts, so I guess he's right.

Yuh ol' fort!

B

PS The conservatives of their day were men like Ben Franklin's son. In 1775 I have read estimates that as much as 3/4 of the colonists regarded themselves as Englishmen first and that to them, secession was unacceptable.

I know many conservatives, and hold many conservative positions. Conservatives are inherently not as diverse as liberals. Liberalism can encompass more than conservatism can. See Bot's description of conservatism. It's not a value judgement - one could argue that diversity isn't so great. It's just the nature of liberalism.

I don't know what a log cabin Republican is, but as mentioned in the Bush PBS series, Republicans have either been Eisenhower Republicans or Goldwater (aka Reagan since he's revered now) Republicans.

That's kind of the point. Liberals have plenty to disagree about amongst themselves. If two conservatives have plenty to disagree about, chances are one of them isn't really a conservative.

Make up your mind. First you say they blame their counterparts, then you agree they blame lots of people. Which is it?
I think you have liberal confused with conservative. Either that or you've never seen/heard O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Hannity.

No fear of reprisals or condescension? Plenty of fear of creative editing, interruption, strawmanning, and Limbaugh's ability to turn off the mic whenever he wants.


The claim made no mention of the word 'democrats'.

Make up your mind. First you say they blame their counterparts, then you agree they blame lots of people. Which is it?

Quote: Both! The liberals do not see a distinction here. Anyone who does not agree with them is a counterpart. This does not have to have any fact basis and it can be random and change at the drop of a hat and on the turn of a dime!:rolleyes4:shifty:

I guess I see your point about 2 kinds of Republicans either Eisenhower or Goldwater/Reagan since I happen to be the latter and mostly Goldwater.
Trying to argue the basics and values of Libertarianism with a liberal is like beating a dead horse!:deadhorse:

I don't like Hannity much, but I have been on the Rush Limbaugh show where we had a fairly heated disagreement and the man treated me with a great deal of courtesy and respect! He gave me plenty of time to answer and make my point, pointed out where he thought I was mislead and never turned the mic off or interrupted me and yelled over me!

Also, ex-Mayor of NYC, Ruddy...he's Pro-Choice... :eek:

Here's your ball back 732002... :D

(Not your ball, Bot! ;))

DITTO! (Pun heavily INTENDED!!! :D)

I believe the term "Log Cabin Republican" came about due to the fact that some folks, in the "gay community" believe strongly that there is a distinct possibility that Abraham Lincoln (therein, the tie to "Log Cabin") was a participant in a "same-sex" relationship with one of his confidants (sp?) during the Civil War...-

Conservative-thinking, gay folks that are Republicans have formed their own group as an adjunct to the Republican Party and they "adopted" this name ... "Log Cabin Republicans" - sorta' sneaky, isn't it?

Now, keep in mind...that freakzoid from Iran, President "Ineedahandjob" has pronounced that there are no homosexuals in Iran.

If the Repos can welcome gay-folks, does that make the Reps better than Mr. Ineeahandjob and his ilk in Iraq?

I would HOPE that everyone on this thread would, AT LEAST, agree to this statement! :rolleyes:

Among many reasons.

#87!

Rush loves this thread!

Why pay for advertising?

Threatened?! I say wake up people. The man traffics in half truths, day in and day out. It is the minds of his ditto-heads who are threatened.

He was right on the excesses of the welfare state, and that's about it.

I think Geo. Will is one of the more thought provoking people around. Debra J. Saunders of the SF Chron is quite conservative and I find myself agreeing with her often as not.

C'mon -- Rush blaming high gas prices on misplaced fears on global warming is just moronic. Absolutely unsupportabe, except by his sponsors, backers, and listeners.

I've heard him criticize Bush -- OTOH, I've heard him many times sneer at libbies' distaste for Bush as being mere irrational hatred. Watch out, some 75% of the country appears to have caught some form of Bush Derangement
Syndrome.

Ed Schultz is not bad. Franken has his points but his show wasn't that good. Too self-absorbed. Still, I'd like to see him in the senate.

Coleman gives me a serious pain.

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You cannot change the definition of a word to fit your views...

Maybe you are more liberal than what you think...

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Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favor tradition and gradual change, where tradition refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs.


Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment.
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity.

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How do you think the liberals have spent all of our money.
Last time I checked it was the current wacko conservatives spending
2,000.00 a second on war.

How do you think education is controlled by liberals ?
Can you say "No child left behind", one of the biggest clusterfcuks to
happen to the education system.

:jester:
RichC

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Why would Rush love a thread that that is negative Rush ?

He does have appeal.
The same appeal as a car wreck.
For some reason humans want to see tragedy.

Face it.
The guy is a fat, drug addicted, self centered, ego maniac
making big bucks off of people that want that sort of sick entertainment.

I believe he has all the right in the world to do what he does.
But I don't have to agree with it.
Nor do I have to accept the things he does that are illegal !!!

http://rich.jabberwock.us/bushevikra...ballssmyd3.jpg

:jester:
RichC

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[QUOTES in parentheses not by RichC, but by Knightrider966].

You cannot change the definition of a word to fit your views...

(Why not? You liberals do all the time!)

Maybe you are more liberal than what you think...

(You don't understand much of what you read, do you?)

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Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favor tradition and gradual change, where tradition refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs.

(Look before you leap and think ahead, I can agree with that. Setting a standard for common decency, self reliance, self sufficiency, yes, not bad goals.)


Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment.
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity.

(Well, Liberalism has it's roots in the drug culture that you call the Age Of Enlightenment. What you described here is the roots of conservative libertarianism, not liberalism.:rolleyes: Clue: Your not nearly as elightened as you think. Liberalism has it's true roots in the guilt brought on by the drug culture and alcohol culture and once liberals hit middle age and realise a guilty conciensce sets in, then they become liberals, not all, but a lot!Sort of like trying to make up for all the bad things liberals have done to others and making attonement requires taking assets form others, unless you were lucky enough to have rich parents, and create a co-dependency welfare state to make up for your wrongs.

In your mind maybe Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and opportunities, but it's not like liberals practise what they preach and this is a great example! As long as everyone thinks like liberals do, alls well with the world, but have a different set of beliefs and values and you will be a hate monger, racist and every other vile and vitriolic phrase that a liberal can utter when they run short on facts. So much for individual liberties.)

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How do you think the liberals have spent all of our money.

(Liberals have stolen money that didn't belong to them by taxing the hell out of everyone and creating the large teat entitlement programs giving my earningsaway to those who contribute little or nothing, AKA more liberals financing their social marxist "great society" policies on the rest of us.)

Last time I checked it was the current wacko conservatives spending
2,000.00 a second on war.

(This administration is hardly conservative and since this is your example, I don't have to tell you your out of touch or out to lunch, you just did. In no way is George Bush a conservative. Senator Barry Goldwater was a conservative, Winston Churchill was a conservative, Ronald Reagan was a conservative..... Can you see the difference?)

How do you think education is controlled by liberals?

( Because the teachings of liberals undermine everything that does not agree with being liberal going as far as to throw college students out of college and to use every form of peer pressure including violence to intimidate with undue influence.)

Can you say "No child left behind", one of the biggest clusterfcuks to
happen to the education system.

(Once again, you blundered any point you might have made using Bush's no child left behind act in your argument. There is such a thing as taking responsibility for your own actions and parents should be raising their children, not the schools No child left behind was an attempt to undo political liberal correctnes at a local level, not a good one ,but one nevertheless because liberals did nothing but leave children behind who didn't follow the flo9ch and think like them.

Children from Conservative parents were and still are given consistently lower grades at school, even if they perform better, as a tool to get them to conform. This is showing up more and more inlawsuits as conservative s fight back and the movement is growing. Oddly enough, this was the message from Pink Floyd's The Wall. You have a lot of guts calling anyone a clusterfcuk!)

Know what I mean Vern? My answers in parentheses!

The picture with the words...is that a quote from Rush, himself...or is that a "composed" picture with the deceptive impression that Rush actually said that stuff...I notice there are no "quote" marks around any of the wording and the website where this "artistic" piece is drawn from has an "infantile" flavor to it...

But, should I expect any higher level of intelligent discussions from a lame, liberal attempt at character assassination than that website would supposedly exhibit?

I guess not...so as the "discussion" denigrates, out come the "libo-bombs" of name-calling and other assorted signs of lost causes...

Thanks for the demonstration...

I could not have said that better myself, Thank you!:D Maybe I think too much, great post man!

Yeah, the senate on another planet! You think he's self absorbed now???? Just wait to see if if he wins a senate seat, GOD HELP US!

Because :jester:, for a person who depends on advertising revenue, any negative comments from his chosen enemy is good publicity for his listeners. He thrives on controversy and folks on this thread are giving him what he needs.

By adding to it, you help him. Congratulations!

B

Hey, be very careful who you agree with here on this forum...

I got "dinged" this evening...

I've been notified that I have "one" (1) point against me 'cause of what I believe to be my "non-family valued" attempt at humor on another post...and it was removed less than an hour ago...

I wouldn't want my stain of "inappropriateness" to darken your attire or colors...

But, thanks for the "attaboy" - I needed that after last night/this mornig...

Later!

He didn't describe, he pulled the dictionary definition.

Let's put it this way - the picture is like Rush's show.