Coleman gives you a serious pain? On what?

I live within minutes of his state...he does what to stir up whom?

Oh, wait...I know...he's a Republican...DUH!

Sorry...I forgot that you were sensitive to reality...

My bad! :D

Keep thinkin' that Al will save the world from Conservatives and all things Republican with his "Every Repo SUCKS!" mantra and everything will be all better...

Would you like a warm glass of milk to go with that thought? :rolleyes:

Not. That's the Barrack Obama social marxist political correctness profile!

Another good point there, by the way, where's Frau Bluker?:D

Picture shows a bunch of hammers and sickles. That ain't Rush Limburger.

Might be Michael Moore or Al Farken, but definitely not Rush....

Oh, GOD! Now I'm embarrased to think that I was pleased he thought I made sense on something and that maybe there was hope for him yet because he wasn't a liberal! CRAP!:D:rolleyes:

If that isn't a description, then what good is the dictionary?:confused:

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That was the definition of Conservatism and Liberalism straight from wikipedia.

I think it might be you guys that are confused,
not me,
Or the definitions of the words.

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And what was in the picture was a direct quote from Rush's mouth.

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(CNN) – As Hillary Clinton battles to keep her presidential bid alive, she may be getting help from an unlikely source: conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.
Limbaugh has been actively urging his Texas listeners to cross over and vote for Clinton in that state's open primary Tuesday, arguing it helps the Republicans if the Democratic race remains unsettled for weeks to come.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/04/limbaugh-urges-listeners-to-vote-for-clinton/

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There is a great thing to do, try to screw up the very basis of democracy.

And I am sure some of the idiot morons that follow this sick man
went to the polls and voted the way Rush told them to.

It is hard to believe that anyone could be so ignorant....
but i guess there must be lots of ignorant sheep that follow his commands
, because Rush is raking in the money.

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RichC

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Maybe you have had too much to smoke...
The ideas of Liberalism were started by our founding fathers.
And the term gained wide use in the 1700's

Yes my mind can read what a dictionary says...
I understand what liberalism is.
That is the definition of liberalism, believing in individual rights and opportunities.
Straight from the dictionary.
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Are you trying to say Bush and his cronies are liberals ?
That is just a delusional idea.

You seem to have some very paranoid ideas about liberals...
In fact I think a few of them are down right spooky.

:jester:
RichC

Rich,
Definitions of words are not static, frozen in time forever. Examples abound, but fail me right now.

The definitions you posted are typical "classic" definitions, but definitions are best obtained by observing context.

I take issue on several points, but mainly because the current "liberal" does not conform to the textbook definition. In my opinion, the classic definition is used to "sucker" young impressionable minds.

Knightrider already pointed out some relevant issues.

The picture:Rush Limbaugh::Rush Limbaugh:liberals

Zakley.

So you want to change the definition to fit your argument.

That is soooo.. right wing conservative it is funny.

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Would a rose still smell as sweet by any other name.

Yes it does.

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You cannot change the basis of a definition,
its very essence,
and still call it the same thing.

Especially just because you think so.

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I do not agree with all of the tenants of liberalism
but I don't try to change the definition of the word to fit what I think.

That is utter nonsense.

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I will agree that definitions change slowly over time.
But they do not switch to there opposites because one small group
of people think they should.

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RichC

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:jester:, the current vernacular has described liberal & conservative based on issues mostly local to the USA and often incomprehensible to foreigners.

You are free, like Humpty-Dumpty, to use words as you wish. You will simply find yourself having to explain yourself more frequently while the rest of the USA continues to speak in the short-hand of today's world.

B

In other words, you have to comply with the misrepresentation. You'll also have to start calling Obama, Osama.

And the reverse, of course.

Depending on whom one is talking about. Or not, if one is a Senator for some unspellable northeastern state.

Rush Limbaugh sentenced to prison for kiddie porn
 

April Fool!!

Actually, it was a lib'rul talk show host.....

So, of course, you won't be seeing this on yer major networks....


Bernie Ward admits to child porn in plea deal
Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, May 9, 2008

05-08) 18:49 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Bernie Ward, the most prominent liberal voice on Bay Area talk radio for more than two decades, admitted Thursday to distribution of child pornography by e-mail in a plea deal that will send him to federal prison for at least five years.

Ward, 57, a former Roman Catholic priest, was a fixture on KGO-AM 810 for three hours every weeknight, known in recent years for his fervent denunciations of President Bush and the war in Iraq during his news talk show. He also hosted "God Talk," a Sunday morning program on religion, and was a prolific fundraiser for the station's charity drives.

But his career disintegrated Dec. 6 with the unsealing of a federal grand jury indictment, issued three months earlier, that charged him with two counts of distributing and one count of receiving Internet images of child pornography. KGO fired him Dec. 31.

At a 30-minute hearing in federal court in San Francisco, Ward admitted he was guilty of a single charge of distributing child pornography, saying it involved "exchanging an image of a minor engaged in sexually explicit activity" in December 2004. The plea agreement he signed, quoted in court, contained an admission that he had sent between 15 and 150 pornographic images via e-mail.

Delay in accepting plea

Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker said he was satisfied that Ward was voluntarily admitting guilt, but he granted defense lawyer Doron Weinberg's request to delay accepting the plea until a sentencing hearing Aug. 28. If the plea had been formally entered Thursday, Ward could have been sent to prison immediately.

Ward exchanged hugs with family members and friends before and after the hearing. Wearing a suit and tie and looking grim, he described his conduct succinctly to Walker, showed little hesitation when the judge asked him about waiving his right to go to trial, and said of his guilty plea, "I worked it out in conjunction with my attorney."

As part of the deal, Weinberg said outside court, federal prosecutors agreed to drop two additional child pornography charges and ask for a sentence of no more than nine years. The maximum under the law is 20 years.

The case was prosecuted by the Justice Department in Washington, D.C., after the U.S. attorney's office in San Francisco bowed out for unstated reasons. The department issued a brief statement describing Ward's plea agreement and had no further comment.

Ward initially pleaded not guilty and said he had downloaded a few pornographic images over several weeks as research for a book on hypocrisy among Americans who preach morality in public. But he was confronted by a federal law that flatly prohibits possessing, receiving or distributing child pornography - regardless of intent - and requires at least five years in prison for each conviction.

His hopes of maintaining a defense based on a constitutional right to research taboo subjects appeared to be weakened further when police in Oakdale (Stanislaus County) released transcripts in February of a series of online sex chats between Ward and a dominatrix in December 2004 and January 2005.

The transcripts quote Ward as fantasizing about naked children with no apparent reference to any subject he was researching. Police said he had sent photos to the woman that showed children engaged in sexual activity.

'Role playing' alleged

Weinberg said outside court Thursday that his client had been "playing roles" in the message exchange.

Weinberg said he would argue for a five-year sentence for Ward rather than the nine years that prosecutors are seeking. He said a five-year term could be reduced by about nine months for good behavior in prison.

"In terms of his freedom, his future, he's lost almost everything," Weinberg said. "He's not going to be able to come out (of prison) and return to the work he does so well."

In a preview of arguments at the sentencing hearing, Weinberg told the judge that Ward was "a man with an impeccable record of service to his community" and that the crime involved "an error of judgment rather than sexual proclivities."

Since his indictment was unsealed, Ward has been confined to his San Francisco home, with electronic monitoring, as a condition of $250,000 bail. He has been allowed to leave only to work, to drive his children to and from school, and to go to church.

Ward, a San Francisco native, went to St. Ignatius High School and the University of San Francisco, and earned a master's degree in theology from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. He was ordained to the priesthood with the Society of the Precious Blood in 1977 but left two years later, explaining afterward that he wanted to marry and have children. He has four children.

After the priesthood, Ward worked as a schoolteacher, served as legislative assistant for then-Rep. Barbara Boxer for three years and was hired by KGO in 1985. As an investigative reporter, he won a national award for a series of stories in the mid-1990s, in partnership with the San Francisco Examiner, that exposed financial and sexual improprieties in the San Francisco Archdiocese.

As a talk show host since 1992, Ward was called the "lion of the left" by KGO and had a devoted following. His "God Talk" show, which he described as the work closest to his heart, included discussions of the Christian mission to help the poor and of misconduct in organized religion, especially in his own Catholic faith.

Strict federal law

Ward's indictment, and his claim that he was a researcher rather than an exploiter of children, focused attention on the strict federal law, which considers motive and intent to be irrelevant. The rationale is that anyone who possesses child pornography adds to the national market for a product that degrades youth.

In court papers, Weinberg had urged Walker to allow him to argue to the jury that Ward had a "First Amendment-protected right to research and comment upon societal mores," which included viewing pornographic images.

No court has recognized such a right, however, and a federal appeals court in Virginia rejected it in a 2000 ruling upholding a journalist's conviction. Justice Department lawyer Steven Grocki said in a filing in Ward's case that the defense asserted by Weinberg "would invite every defendant charged with child pornography crimes to suddenly become a legitimate researcher educating the masses via their blogs."

After Thursday's hearing, Weinberg said he still believes Ward had a legitimate defense but one that was too risky to pursue. Any leniency that prosecutors are now offering would disappear after a trial and conviction, he said, and the price would be an additional "five or six years of a man's life."

This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

I want to use words that accurately portray reality.
According to your (wiki's) definition, Liberals champion individual rights. I believe that is a myth. Liberals champion GROUP rights at the expense of individuals.
If they truly support individual rights, I would be identified as one.
Maybe I should simply identify myself as a Jeffersonian Constitutionalist.

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Hey, that really proves that Rush is a great guy !!!

And that you were not completely wrong about him telling voters
to screw up the elections.

Trust me,
If we did the pervert lineup in both camps the concervative line
would be much longer.
It is so bad even the pope is apologising.

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RichC

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:jester:

Well excuse me for using such arcane, non up to date, very old, definitions of words.

The definitions came straight from Wikipedia !!!!

The definitions are updated daily.... !!!

In fact, if you think the definition has changed, you can go change
it to what you think right now.
But I guarantee you it will get changed right back by someone else.

Amazing what you can find on that there internet thingamabob.

Care to try another arguement, cz that one just completely
fell apart on you ???

:jester:
RichC

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In fact I think you post when your really feinding for another drink. No, the ideas of our founding fathers were not liberal, they were libertarian.

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Now your getting it...
You need to change what you are calling yourself..
Not the definitions of the words..

Maybe you are learning what you really are
instead of what someone has told you what you should be.

That is the basic tenant of liberalism, individual freedoms or rights.
It is impossible to take that from the definition of the word.
that is exactly what it means.

I hold some conservative ideas also.
Like the idea of non intervention in foreign matters.
But my basic beliefs are more liberal.
Does that mean I get to change the definition of conservative
to fit what I think ??
No...

If you truly are a Jefferson Constitutionalist that means your ideas
lye in the middle of the road like Jefferson's.
Along with a lot of other people.
And even some of my beliefs.


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RichC

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Liberals champion some individual rights, as do conservatives. The exact rights in question aren't the same, of course.

A Jeffersonian Constitutionalist sounds quite libertarian. Are you willing to join the dark side?

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That is really a jackass statement.

To be honest with you.

I am an alcoholic, and I have been sober now for over 18 years.

And my wifes father just passed away from alcoholism.

Do you have any other jewels you want to lay on me.

Thanks a bunch !!!

Really nice !!

What a jerk comment....

RichC

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No, I cant say I understand the libertarians very well.

But I do wonder if I will get more conservative as I get older
like they say everyone does.

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RichC

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I've become much more libertarian, and not thus not conservative in the modern sense. However, I do recognize the need for some governmental intervention. How much? That's the trillion-dollar question.

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I really believe that most peoples ideas fit in the same basket.

It is jerks like Rush that try there best to polarize people
so they can make a buck off of it, that causes lots of problems.

Most of the really bad leaders of the world use this tactic to
gain popularity.

It is sad that people can hate each other so much because
someone tells them that they should.

:jester:
Have Fun !
RichC

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Rush doesn't care about that stuff, :jester:, he's a businessman and damned good at what he does. We're up to 128 posts on a thread about a guy most of us pretend to ignore. He's laughing at that. And you.

B

:jester:, you are writing like a drunk. You wouldn't be the only one around here who PWD. So it is not a big deal that somebody thinks you are toasted. Heck, some dickhead thinks I'm Jewish, which should cause great anguish in the Jewish community worldwide. Get over it.

B

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His timing and accuracy are impecible...

MMMMmmm.... religousism... smells so good ?

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I'm happy to report that I don't care about Limp Rush either, in fact, I don't have to pretend I am ignoring him, since in reality I have never heard a minute of his radio show nor did I read a line of his internet presentations.

An other part of reality is, that his reputation is actually so far down the toilet, that one doens't need to listen or read any of his stuff to know what he's up to.

Beyond that, I think, this thread has become a nice example of what Limp Rush actually stands for and Rich C is certainly doing a great job putting up with the gargabe that's being dumped on him.

IBTL - Big G

Your inate rambling isn't making me the only one wondering. But it would help explain your random insane flip flop statements. Just an observation. I can't help it if you can't take the heat. You sure can dish it out. No apologies.

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What exactly do you think I have flip flopped on ?

I can defiantly take the heat,
I encourage you to do your best to keep me honest, find flaws in my thinking, point out where I am misinformed.

But you changed the topic of conversation to personal matters..
Which really have no place here...
I don't mind discussing them, my life is an open book.
Ask any question you want.. but be careful.. I will do my best to answer
you honestly.

You could not hold your opinions because they were not true..
So you got angry and tried to attack me on a personal level...
Rather childish, but I can handle it.

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RichC
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I didn't try to attack you on a personal level, I made an observation. Emotionally you are all over the board. From my experience as a bar and nightclub owner who has seen all kinds of drugs and alcohol and the problems they cause, I get to recognise behavior patterns. When someone rambles like you have been, I would suspect you would either be high on something, yearning to get high on something, coming down from being high on something in in the beginnings of a hangover from being high on something.

Todays post sounds like you sobered up. It's been my experience that those who were alcoholics or drug abusers most often don't stop completely, they trade on addiction for another. They either turn to marijuana, speed, methamphetamine, coke, crank, rock, or heroin.

I don't think you are on heroin, rock, crank or methamphetamine. But I thought from a couple of your ramblings that you could be on speed or pot. Your childish flaming and cutthroat reactions to hearing what you didn't want to hear or read led me to think those might be a possibility. I would lean more toward marijuana from your emotional responses.

God only knows there is enough drugs coming in from across the border into Texas since Johnny Sutton let's drug dealers through while throwing our border patrol agents in jail for doing their jobs! I'm not trying to piss you off here either, but it's not like there haven't been PM's going around wondering what you are on during some of your rants. You flame to easily sounding like a child that won't get it's way and accuse based on your bias rather than fact. In fact, this very post is different than most of yours. It's clear, calm and makes sense.

My recommendations, I don't do drugs at all, and I don't want to be around anyone who does, but I've never seen anyone willing to give up their jobs, sell their possessions, quit paying rent, stop feeding their kids, not pay the bills or be willing to die to get marijuana. Heck, some states even have given doctors prescriptions for it.

For god's sake I wouldn't touch anything else. I've seen to many people who totally screwed up their entire lives on anything else and it has been reported that marijuana coming across the border has been laced with PCP lately, at least from what I've heard here on the news in Arizona.

Puh - LEAZE! If he's not said exactly that, he's said similar and he's made it clear that that is his intent.

See Iraqis, this is how democracy works. :rolleyes:

Beware the witch hunting virus.

Whaaa?? Fleas on rats causin' the black death?!? Nay, iss the WITCHES, I tell tha, the WITCHES!!

A problem identified is a problem half solved. Excessive govt. and govt. interference is a problem but the free market, unrestrained, can be seriously whack also.

Check out El Salvador. The upper 1% control some 90%+ of the wealth. Not too far from what went on in the old Europe than many of our ancestors escaped from.

Got to have a balance.

FYI, fleas on rats do not cause any disease in man.

Those who thrive on scheudenfreude eventually fall to smash. I'll be damned if I sit by and let his BROADCASTED half-truths and other assorted crap go un-contested.

Never heard the guy on the radio once and I live in the area.

Oh well, I was under the impression that one of the possible causes of the black plague was rats, or rather the germs they carried, spread by fleas.

Nonetheless, my point is, I believe, valid. The guy who early on considered that lack of cleanliness, handwashing, etc., in hospitals was a major cause of illness was widely ridiculed by his fellows. One dramatization I saw on this (not sure if it's from an actual event) showed him presenting a bowl of hot soapy water to a colleague, who allowed him to place it in his hands only to drop it to the floor with a crash.

Point being, people can be highly self-assured of some "fact" and be utterly wrong.

Germs, there ya go. Rats almost always have fleas (and lice) even when there is no plague. Rats get the blood-borne disease, fleas suck their blood and hop to a human and infect the human when the flea back-flushes his siphon.

Humans in the sw USA get plague every year but it fails to spread, because we no longer have endemic flea populations in the human population. In the USA. If you live in the sw, make sure your pets don't have fleas.

B

PS Google Semmelweis (I think that's the spelling) for info on puerperal fever. That's the deathbed disease women once died from in alarming numbers and it was due to unclean doctors. Midwives were generally cleaner than doctors of the day and so, had less loss of patience due to that problem.

I keep hearing bits on the local radical station (KPFA, first public supported radio in the US) about the much lower usage of midwifes in the US as compared to other countries and how our infant mortality rates are not good among industrialized nations. One thing I've heard for years is that OBGyns like cesareans cause they can schedule them for convenience.

You won't find him on NPR....

Try AM radio. You might learn something.

For our 2nd kid the woman in the next delivery room over had a midwife. And chanting with tambourine accompaniment that councided with contractions.

Hare Krisnna's.

I got to know them pretty well and helped them with native plant ID and understand some late 19th century plant manuals of medicinal herbs. Interesting group of folks.

B

I listen to KSFO (limbaugh, hannity) and I forget, KQKE maybe (air America and leftovers) now and then but the station Ward is on has never attracted me for some reason. I tune to it and then leave after a few minutes.

The main thing I learn from Rush and Hannity is that they are utterly convinced of their correctness. They found a small nugget of truth years ago and formed their entire universe around it, thinking they had discovered ultimate truth.

They're already badly discredited, they just don't know it yet.

Stuff can go wrong with that too, of course. One woman up in Okanogan county WA, has delivered many babies. One time, the woman she was helping was having serious problems and started losing a lot of blood.

The midwife was seriously urging going to the hospital immediately but the mother was freaked out about going with modern med. in any way. Finally they dragged her there and she managed to live but it was dicey. The midwife avoided the woman ever after. I know the mother somewhat, she is a bit of a trip.

Actually, I can't stand to listen to either one of them. Both of 'em are self promoting gassbags, although they are correct on most issues. As long as they annoy lib'ruls, they're doing a great job, though. :)

Since I work for a living, I don't get to listen to much daytime radio. I do like to catch Mark Levin on the ride home, though.

You're making my point...take a picture and let's say...put WHAT YOU THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SAID on the picutre...then it's good as gold...the picture and verbage MUST mean it's true... :rolleyes:

Sorry...commies and libs want to do that crap all the time...I'm not buying it and I'll call anyone a fool that tries to sell it to me or anyone else that it is true...and if Repos are doing the same thing (Think CHAOS :rolleyes:) they are just as guilty (if not more so) for doing something so assinine and idiotic...

If you want Rush to have said that, then find an irrefutable source to prove the point, then slap a "hammer & sickle" motif on someone/thing that makes more sense...but if slander/innuendo is the name of the game...keep that crap right out there for all to see...it just makes the LiberDemReenTuFus more laughable...and un-electable...

See ya' on the sidelines... ;)

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I do not do any drugs of any sort anymore.

My doctor cant even get me to take a pain pill.

So there is no way that my posts have anything to do with
being under the influence of anything.

I am simply honest.
Extremely intelligent.
And have the balls to speak my mind.

And I really don't give a rodents derriar what most
people think of me.
Good or bad.
I respect a few of my closest friends opinions
of me.

Praise and Blame.
Its all the same.
Nothing I want to listen to.

You are not used to a person like me.
it takes a while to get used to.
I am not your average Joe.

Most people that are full of siht either get away from me quick.
So they can continue there bull.
Or
Stay, and quit the bull and realize that honesty is an
extremely rare an valuable asset in humans.

I am extremely peaceful
and content.
Nothing here has ever really aggravated me.

Even when I told one member that
If I were one hairs width closer to being a killer
he would be a dead man.
Because it was the truth.
And I am not a killer, but can be very close.

So figure out what you want to be, and do it.
Cz I don't care what you think of me. :P

Now tell me honestly !!!!
Do you look at your toilet paper after you wipe ????
Think, and give an honest answer !!!!

:jester:
RichC

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Dude, I guess you missed the link I gave to CNN's converage of Rush
saying exactly what I said he did.

Here it is again.

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(CNN) – As Hillary Clinton battles to keep her presidential bid alive, she may be getting help from an unlikely source: conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.
Limbaugh has been actively urging his Texas listeners to cross over and vote for Clinton in that state's open primary Tuesday, arguing it helps the Republicans if the Democratic race remains unsettled for weeks to come.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...e-for-clinton/

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I guess as per your logic earlier
that makes you the fool.

Have Fun !
RichC

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