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SwampYankee 05-07-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1847142)
That appears to be the case. Why is that? How is it that people like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity make millions of dollars when their commentary is of such poor quality? Limbaugh is illogical and dishonest. O'Reilly is a buffoon. Hannity is dishonest and mean-spirited, although he does have an impressive natural ability to advocate for his position. I disagree with 99.99% of what he says, but I would hate to be on camera trying to debate him.

Back to the point, though, what does it say about our country that such mediocre talent is rewarded so generously? Does quality mean nothing?

You got me there, I don't know. I've tried wholeheartedly to distance myself from the political scene with relative success. I know the stereotypical talk radio "hate" talk is often mentioned, but there is (was) a lot of positive, pro-self sufficiency and independence talk that I think resonates with a lot of people.

On the other side of it (and I can only generalize because I didn't have nearly the listening investment and as a result resort to the very stereotypical examples often applied to the left :P) was a lot of negative and anti-X talk. CT, as well as most of the northeast, is a liberal bastion. Democrats outnumber Republicans 2:1 yet Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage bring in the ratings and money while those on the left aren't able to and go by the wayside.

cscmc1 05-07-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1847142)
Back to the point, though, what does it say about our country that such mediocre talent is rewarded so generously? Does quality mean nothing?

Uh, speaking of mediocre talent, ever listen to pop radio or watch prime time TeeVee? This is nothing new.

SwampYankee 05-07-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crash9 (Post 1847181)
I've never caught any of that, but I'm sure you're right. The polarization we seem to have is just to much.
That site Political Compass
has a slick concept, but I sense that the test is geared to give a more liberal result.
We're in a real mess in the country, and if we don't get it togeather quickly we're going to loose the ballgame.

It's easy to see when you're feelings are diametrically opposed to those being put forth.

My viewpoint hasn't really changed but I just grew tired of the whole politicial process and career politicians who aren't interested in what's best for the state/country or fixing actual problems, their interest lies in what gets them re-elected. I often wished I could live in blissful ignorance as many of my warehouse employees did so eventually I gave it up cold-turkey. It was the best thing I ever did for my own mental health.

pj67coll 05-07-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cscmc1 (Post 1847240)
Uh, speaking of mediocre talent, ever listen to pop radio or watch prime time TeeVee? This is nothing new.

Damm right! Snoop Dog, Brittany Spears etc. Gutter filth made muliti millionairs by a people with no standards.

- Peter.

pj67coll 05-07-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 1847210)
What it shows me is the hypocrisy of the left--You have freedom of speech as long as you speak leftist propaganda. If you speak righist propaganda, you must be shut up, or libeled, or thrown in jail, or somehow discredited.

Nowhere is this more obvious than on college campuses. There never has been a more nauseatingly self righteous bunch of thought Nazi's than you'll find there. This is not limited to the US academic scene though. It's global.

- Peter.

Knightrider966 05-07-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 1846693)
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If you look at who is behind ethanol you will find large corporations
like ConAgra and and GM.

Ethanol is not a liberal idea !

Rush is extremely biased toward the right wing conservatives.
He is most defiantly wrong in trying to claim that all of the woes of
the country are the fault of liberals.

His perpetual attempts to polarize people into two groups
liberal and conservative
is a very base and ugly thing.

How different is he from a racist, or sexist ?

The things he says are disgusting on a human level.

He is not talking politics, he is talking hate.

He is not a wise political sage.
He is a disgusting hate monger pandering to the rest of the hate mongers
of this world so he can make a buck.

He is making lots and lots of money off of the backs of people who are
not smart enough to realize they are being pandered to.

If you think his fat, drug addicted ass gives a siht about you or the
conservative party, you are a fool.

He has repeatedly shown that he has no compassion for anyone.

:jester:

I'm not necesasairly a rush Limbaugh fan myself, but I give the man credit where credit is due and when it comes to the LOONEY LIBERALS, the man has a point! Liberals take no responsibility for the ***** they spew or the damage they do. :D

Interesting that you would still equate your self with these losers while at the same time in another post, you threatend to kill some one who disagreed with you and told them never to come near you ever and yet you say libocrites job is to spread peace and love! Yeah, your spreading it thick all right but peace and love ain't it!:rolleyes:

Oh, and Rush is not a Bush Supporter any more than I am. I still stay politically involved because I hope and pray that we can find a leader to clean up the mess of stupid spoiled brat baby diaper drooling bull***** left to us by LIBOCRITES! God help us save this Republic! :eek:

Knightrider966 05-07-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll (Post 1847304)
Nowhere is this more obvious than on college campuses. There never has been a more nauseatingly self righteous bunch of thought Nazi's than you'll find there. This is not limited to the US academic scene though. It's global.

- Peter.

Unfortunately this is too true! Who would have thought the liberal movement started in the 1960's would be so capable of this kind of damage and hate even though these full of ***** clowns preach just the opposite!:rolleyes:

Jim B. 05-07-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1847142)
Back to the point, though, what does it say about our country that such mediocre talent is rewarded so generously? Does quality mean nothing?

^^^People buy new Chryslers every day.

Knightrider966 05-07-2008 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by dculkin
"Back to the point, though, what does it say about our country that such mediocre talent is rewarded so generously? Does quality mean nothing?"

Not any more I'm afraid! We don't let our kids fall down anymore. :( We insist on giving them an 18th place medal when they didn't win the race and this is continuing to encourage mediocre thought and behavior. :o This was the backdrop of the liberal 1960's! We might damage their self esteem if we don't keep propping them up and now we have a whole generation of me first slackers who want money, but are not willing to earn it any longer! :confused:

This is the part I hate about the liberal movement most. It discourages you from achieving. It discourages you from doing your best and trying harder and masks the failures with this Koom By Yah peace and love bull***** that doesn't mean a thing because if you really love someone, including your children, you wont keep bailing them out and setting them up for a life of welfare state entitlementism way of thinking. You encourage them to stand on their own two feet and to think for themselves! Not become a co-dependent and burden on those around them! It's like a drug you cant help but be addicted to.

Yet somehow the left see's this as a failure and yes sometimes we do fail, but the failures are a learning curve that is supposed to be used to achieve greatness and durability and reliability in ourselves! Yet liberals, everyone I have met all find a default with this and I'm not sure why. I think it's because there is no longer a point of reference that you can use to see where you have been to tell you where you should go now.

This has led to a whole generation of people who know they need something, but they don't know what! And this is a factory default, if you will, in the concept of liberalism that I don't see in Conservatives! Almost every Conservative I've met is self sufficient, self reliant, hardworking, self taught or went out of their way to seek what they needed to know, durable and most of all, resillient as hell! :D

What ever happened to this standard of achievement and self reliance should be a crime. And don't get me wrong, I honestly believe we need a safety net for those who would be lost without it, but the net should be enough to get you back on your feet, not become a way of life expecting one entitlement after another.;)

Would you belioeve that the majority of frivilous lawsuits where people see dollar signs are brought into court by liberals? I found that one hard to stomach myself, but when I read this from a judge who wrote about his life on the bench and how many cases he had seen where big dollar amounts demanded for punitive damages were overwhelmingly brought into court by liberals, I wasn't suprised! :rolleyes:

tankdriver 05-07-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1847142)
That appears to be the case. Why is that? How is it that people like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity make millions of dollars when their commentary is of such poor quality? Limbaugh is illogical and dishonest. O'Reilly is a buffoon. Hannity is dishonest and mean-spirited, although he does have an impressive natural ability to advocate for his position. I disagree with 99.99% of what he says, but I would hate to be on camera trying to debate him.

Back to the point, though, what does it say about our country that such mediocre talent is rewarded so generously? Does quality mean nothing?

It's because liberals are diverse, and conservatives are not. There hasn't been more than two kinds of Republicans in 60 years. There are more kinds of liberals than you can shake a stick at. One can't pander to a diverse group, one would spend too much time talking about a slew of topics - only a small portion of which any one listener would care about.

Liberals are generally smart enough not to blame their counterparts for everything. Liberals spread blame among many. That makes for a more difficult show, and one would tend to sound like a ranting lunatic.

I would only hate to debate any of those guys if it was on their own show. Let me pick the cameraman, producer, and editor and I'd take any one of them on.

732002 05-07-2008 07:48 PM

Everything bad is caused by liberals = crazy talk.
Most liberals live in the city, make more money, pay
more taxes, have lower unemployment and higher education.

Rush's program is entertainment not educational. Don't take
him too seriously.

MS Fowler 05-07-2008 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver (Post 1847557)
It's because liberals are diverse, and conservatives are not. There hasn't been more than two kinds of Republicans in 60 years. There are more kinds of liberals than you can shake a stick at. One can't pander to a diverse group, one would spend too much time talking about a slew of topics - only a small portion of which any one listener would care about.

Liberals are generally smart enough not to blame their counterparts for everything. Liberals spread blame among many. That makes for a more difficult show, and one would tend to sound like a ranting lunatic.

I would only hate to debate any of those guys if it was on their own show. Let me pick the cameraman, producer, and editor and I'd take any one of them on.

You MUST be kidding, right?!
Diversity among liberals? Only as allowed within the party.
"When was the last time a Right to Life democrat ever addressed the national convention?
How many liberals oppose abortion on demand?
The diversity of the liberals is severely constrained.

Liberals are smart"--yet another way to state the old liberal ploy that conservative are dumb.
Just because you disagree with the principles of conservativism, does not automatically make them, or their adherents, dumb.

Honus 05-07-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 1847210)
...No one holds a gun to anyone's head to make them listen to Rush. No one force radio stations to carry his program. Yet, he is, by far, the most listened too, and therefore most sucessful at his profession.
All of which puts you in the minority...

Your point being?
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I do find it rather interesting how much hate the ( oh-so-accepting_ left can hurl at Rush-or at any Conservative who can effectively communicate.
Who said anything about hate? I commented on the quality of Limbaugh's work.
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The party of "we have to accept everybody, and be tolerant of their views and their differences" shows no ability to do that with regard to Rush. In fact there are attempts to use the power of the government to shut him down---by the supposed supporterd of fee speech.
What it shows me is the hypocrisy of the left--You have freedom of speech as long as you speak leftist propaganda. If you speak righist propaganda, you must be shut up, or libeled, or thrown in jail, or somehow discredited.
:confused: So, you think the right has a hard time getting on the air? When it comes to commentary, TV and radio are dominated by the right.
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Instead of the ad hominum, challenge what he says.
I have two responses to that last part.

First, ad hominem is a logical fallacy which attempts to refute another person's argument by attacking the individual instead of the person. I didn't do that. I commented on the general quality of Limbaugh's work.

Second, I can't think of a bigger waste of time than to "challenge" what Limbaugh says.

tankdriver 05-07-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 1847599)
You MUST be kidding, right?!
Diversity among liberals? Only as allowed within the party.

There is no Liberal Party.

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"When was the last time a Right to Life democrat ever addressed the national convention?
How many liberals oppose abortion on demand?
The diversity of the liberals is severely constrained.
I don't know.
Many.
There is far more diversity among liberals than conservatives. It is in the nature of liberalism for that to be so, as liberalism is more inclusive.

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Liberals are smart"--yet another way to state the old liberal ploy that conservative are dumb.
Just because you disagree with the principles of conservativism, does not automatically make them, or their adherents, dumb.
I don't disagree with all of the principles of conservatism. Nor did I say that conservatives are dumb. I said liberals are smart enough not make make everything they don't like the fault of conservatives. Liberals in general are less likely to hold their beliefs as strongly as conservatives, which is a sign of intelligence. Or perhaps wisdom.

RichC 05-08-2008 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightrider966 (Post 1847355)
Interesting that you would still equate your self with these losers while at the same time in another post, you threatend to kill some one who disagreed with you and told them never to come near you ever and yet you say libocrites job is to spread peace and love! Yeah, your spreading it thick all right but peace and love ain't it!:rolleyes:

I am a liberal. Not a doormat.

I do not have to put up with bull****.

I can speak out against anyting I want.
And so can you, or anyone else.
That is called freedom of speach.

Just like Rush can spew his trash, so can I.

I do not hate people, but I can hate there words and actions.
Most conservatives dont seem to understand that.
But, if you need someone to blame for your problems,
go ahead blame a liberal.

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