If that isn't a description, then what good is the dictionary?

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That was the definition of Conservatism and Liberalism straight from wikipedia.

I think it might be you guys that are confused,
not me,
Or the definitions of the words.

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And what was in the picture was a direct quote from Rush's mouth.

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(CNN) – As Hillary Clinton battles to keep her presidential bid alive, she may be getting help from an unlikely source: conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.
Limbaugh has been actively urging his Texas listeners to cross over and vote for Clinton in that state's open primary Tuesday, arguing it helps the Republicans if the Democratic race remains unsettled for weeks to come.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/04/limbaugh-urges-listeners-to-vote-for-clinton/

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There is a great thing to do, try to screw up the very basis of democracy.

And I am sure some of the idiot morons that follow this sick man
went to the polls and voted the way Rush told them to.

It is hard to believe that anyone could be so ignorant....
but i guess there must be lots of ignorant sheep that follow his commands
, because Rush is raking in the money.

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Maybe you have had too much to smoke...
The ideas of Liberalism were started by our founding fathers.
And the term gained wide use in the 1700's

Yes my mind can read what a dictionary says...
I understand what liberalism is.
That is the definition of liberalism, believing in individual rights and opportunities.
Straight from the dictionary.
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Are you trying to say Bush and his cronies are liberals ?
That is just a delusional idea.

You seem to have some very paranoid ideas about liberals...
In fact I think a few of them are down right spooky.


RichC

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Rich,
Definitions of words are not static, frozen in time forever. Examples abound, but fail me right now.

The definitions you posted are typical "classic" definitions, but definitions are best obtained by observing context.

I take issue on several points, but mainly because the current "liberal" does not conform to the textbook definition. In my opinion, the classic definition is used to "sucker" young impressionable minds.

Knightrider already pointed out some relevant issues.

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Zakley.

So you want to change the definition to fit your argument.

That is soooo.. right wing conservative it is funny.

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Would a rose still smell as sweet by any other name.

Yes it does.

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You cannot change the basis of a definition,
its very essence,
and still call it the same thing.

Especially just because you think so.

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I do not agree with all of the tenants of liberalism
but I don't try to change the definition of the word to fit what I think.

That is utter nonsense.

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I will agree that definitions change slowly over time.
But they do not switch to there opposites because one small group
of people think they should.


RichC

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, the current vernacular has described liberal & conservative based on issues mostly local to the USA and often incomprehensible to foreigners.

You are free, like Humpty-Dumpty, to use words as you wish. You will simply find yourself having to explain yourself more frequently while the rest of the USA continues to speak in the short-hand of today's world.

B

In other words, you have to comply with the misrepresentation. You'll also have to start calling Obama, Osama.

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And the reverse, of course.

Depending on whom one is talking about. Or not, if one is a Senator for some unspellable northeastern state.

April Fool!!

Actually, it was a lib'rul talk show host.....

So, of course, you won't be seeing this on yer major networks....


Bernie Ward admits to child porn in plea deal
Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, May 9, 2008

05-08) 18:49 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Bernie Ward, the most prominent liberal voice on Bay Area talk radio for more than two decades, admitted Thursday to distribution of child pornography by e-mail in a plea deal that will send him to federal prison for at least five years.

Ward, 57, a former Roman Catholic priest, was a fixture on KGO-AM 810 for three hours every weeknight, known in recent years for his fervent denunciations of President Bush and the war in Iraq during his news talk show. He also hosted "God Talk," a Sunday morning program on religion, and was a prolific fundraiser for the station's charity drives.

But his career disintegrated Dec. 6 with the unsealing of a federal grand jury indictment, issued three months earlier, that charged him with two counts of distributing and one count of receiving Internet images of child pornography. KGO fired him Dec. 31.

At a 30-minute hearing in federal court in San Francisco, Ward admitted he was guilty of a single charge of distributing child pornography, saying it involved "exchanging an image of a minor engaged in sexually explicit activity" in December 2004. The plea agreement he signed, quoted in court, contained an admission that he had sent between 15 and 150 pornographic images via e-mail.

Delay in accepting plea

Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker said he was satisfied that Ward was voluntarily admitting guilt, but he granted defense lawyer Doron Weinberg's request to delay accepting the plea until a sentencing hearing Aug. 28. If the plea had been formally entered Thursday, Ward could have been sent to prison immediately.

Ward exchanged hugs with family members and friends before and after the hearing. Wearing a suit and tie and looking grim, he described his conduct succinctly to Walker, showed little hesitation when the judge asked him about waiving his right to go to trial, and said of his guilty plea, "I worked it out in conjunction with my attorney."

As part of the deal, Weinberg said outside court, federal prosecutors agreed to drop two additional child pornography charges and ask for a sentence of no more than nine years. The maximum under the law is 20 years.

The case was prosecuted by the Justice Department in Washington, D.C., after the U.S. attorney's office in San Francisco bowed out for unstated reasons. The department issued a brief statement describing Ward's plea agreement and had no further comment.

Ward initially pleaded not guilty and said he had downloaded a few pornographic images over several weeks as research for a book on hypocrisy among Americans who preach morality in public. But he was confronted by a federal law that flatly prohibits possessing, receiving or distributing child pornography - regardless of intent - and requires at least five years in prison for each conviction.

His hopes of maintaining a defense based on a constitutional right to research taboo subjects appeared to be weakened further when police in Oakdale (Stanislaus County) released transcripts in February of a series of online sex chats between Ward and a dominatrix in December 2004 and January 2005.

The transcripts quote Ward as fantasizing about naked children with no apparent reference to any subject he was researching. Police said he had sent photos to the woman that showed children engaged in sexual activity.

'Role playing' alleged

Weinberg said outside court Thursday that his client had been "playing roles" in the message exchange.

Weinberg said he would argue for a five-year sentence for Ward rather than the nine years that prosecutors are seeking. He said a five-year term could be reduced by about nine months for good behavior in prison.

"In terms of his freedom, his future, he's lost almost everything," Weinberg said. "He's not going to be able to come out (of prison) and return to the work he does so well."

In a preview of arguments at the sentencing hearing, Weinberg told the judge that Ward was "a man with an impeccable record of service to his community" and that the crime involved "an error of judgment rather than sexual proclivities."

Since his indictment was unsealed, Ward has been confined to his San Francisco home, with electronic monitoring, as a condition of $250,000 bail. He has been allowed to leave only to work, to drive his children to and from school, and to go to church.

Ward, a San Francisco native, went to St. Ignatius High School and the University of San Francisco, and earned a master's degree in theology from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. He was ordained to the priesthood with the Society of the Precious Blood in 1977 but left two years later, explaining afterward that he wanted to marry and have children. He has four children.

After the priesthood, Ward worked as a schoolteacher, served as legislative assistant for then-Rep. Barbara Boxer for three years and was hired by KGO in 1985. As an investigative reporter, he won a national award for a series of stories in the mid-1990s, in partnership with the San Francisco Examiner, that exposed financial and sexual improprieties in the San Francisco Archdiocese.

As a talk show host since 1992, Ward was called the "lion of the left" by KGO and had a devoted following. His "God Talk" show, which he described as the work closest to his heart, included discussions of the Christian mission to help the poor and of misconduct in organized religion, especially in his own Catholic faith.

Strict federal law

Ward's indictment, and his claim that he was a researcher rather than an exploiter of children, focused attention on the strict federal law, which considers motive and intent to be irrelevant. The rationale is that anyone who possesses child pornography adds to the national market for a product that degrades youth.

In court papers, Weinberg had urged Walker to allow him to argue to the jury that Ward had a "First Amendment-protected right to research and comment upon societal mores," which included viewing pornographic images.

No court has recognized such a right, however, and a federal appeals court in Virginia rejected it in a 2000 ruling upholding a journalist's conviction. Justice Department lawyer Steven Grocki said in a filing in Ward's case that the defense asserted by Weinberg "would invite every defendant charged with child pornography crimes to suddenly become a legitimate researcher educating the masses via their blogs."

After Thursday's hearing, Weinberg said he still believes Ward had a legitimate defense but one that was too risky to pursue. Any leniency that prosecutors are now offering would disappear after a trial and conviction, he said, and the price would be an additional "five or six years of a man's life."

This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

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I want to use words that accurately portray reality.
According to your (wiki's) definition, Liberals champion individual rights. I believe that is a myth. Liberals champion GROUP rights at the expense of individuals.
If they truly support individual rights, I would be identified as one.
Maybe I should simply identify myself as a Jeffersonian Constitutionalist.

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Hey, that really proves that Rush is a great guy !!!

And that you were not completely wrong about him telling voters
to screw up the elections.

Trust me,
If we did the pervert lineup in both camps the concervative line
would be much longer.
It is so bad even the pope is apologising.

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RichC

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Well excuse me for using such arcane, non up to date, very old, definitions of words.

The definitions came straight from Wikipedia !!!!

The definitions are updated daily.... !!!

In fact, if you think the definition has changed, you can go change
it to what you think right now.
But I guarantee you it will get changed right back by someone else.

Amazing what you can find on that there internet thingamabob.

Care to try another arguement, cz that one just completely
fell apart on you ???


RichC

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In fact I think you post when your really feinding for another drink. No, the ideas of our founding fathers were not liberal, they were libertarian.