Depleted groundwater in India and elsewhere - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

EricSilver · #31 05-12-2008, 10:38 AM

On a planet that is 70% water, people are running out.

We are smart enough to build weapons of mass destruction, but too dumb to build machines of mass desalination.

Mankind does not deserve this planet. I look forward to the end.

(Oh, and as for Bush in Paraguay, isn't theat the region where most Nazis escape to? Perhaps what is actually there is a secret Nazi UFO base, and the aquifer is just a diversion.)

aklim · #32 05-12-2008, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSilver

but too dumb to build machines of mass desalination.

There are such machines. Saudi Arabia and Singapore have them. If India wanted them, they could, I don't know, buy a few perhaps? Maybe it isn't that important to them or they aren't smart enough to figure it out. Either way, how is it our problem? Better yet, can we make money selling water to them?

EricSilver · #33 05-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

There are such machines. Saudi Arabia and Singapore have them. If India wanted them, they could, I don't know, buy a few perhaps? Maybe it isn't that important to them or they aren't smart enough to figure it out.

They are not in production or use on a scale that makes fresh water concerns a non-issue. Despite pockets of extreme wealth, India is a deperately poor country, but it does appear the well-being of its masses is indeed not very important.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

Either way, how is it our problem? Better yet, can we make money selling water to them?

This attitude is the root of every problem, every evil in the world: The indifference to the needs and suffering of other people, and the willingness to exploit and perpetuate them for profit.

India's richest man built a $billion dollar house, but would probably not contribute the cost of his toilets to helping poor people. He undoubtedly figures, it is not his problem.

aklim · #34 05-12-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSilver

They are not in production or use on a scale that makes fresh water concerns a non-issue. Despite pockets of extreme wealth, India is a deperately poor country, but it does appear the well-being of its masses is indeed not very important.

This attitude is the root of every problem, every evil in the world: The indifference to the needs and suffering of other people, and the willingness to exploit and perpetuate them for profit.

India's richest man built a $billion dollar house, but would probably not contribute the cost of his toilets to helping poor people. He undoubtedly figures, it is not his problem.

And if it isn't important to them, why should it be important to us? Like we don't have problems of our own.

Yes. Poor Indians. They would NEVER do such a thing. It is a dog eat dog world and the sooner we realize it, the better. Can't change it so we have to be real about it and realize we have to live with it.

Why is it his problem?

Knightrider966 · #35 05-12-2008, 12:27 PM

If the farmers are totally subsidised, why is it no suprise that the groundwater is running out when the pumps are left on all night? This is liberal socialism at it's worst! Being a conservative means just that, to CONSERVE! If they had to pay for the power in the first place and it were necessary to be more efficient, like the current plan in place suggests, do you really think this problem would be that bad?

What the heck is so wrong with pulling your own weight? When will we EVER figure out that a government that gives you everything you want like a big daddy would leads to a totally liberal society that is 100% guaranteed sure to fail?

How is it that the liberal way out only serves to guarantee enabling the problem to continue in the first place if you subsidise it? I'm sorry, but it is hard for me to feel sorry for a farmer who wants a government to steal from a rich man who can afford a million dollar house to give him more while he runs out of water because he's getting FREE power and leaves the pumps on all night wasting what he's been given!

EricSilver · #36 05-12-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

And if it isn't important to them, why should it be important to us? Like we don't have problems of our own.

Yes. Poor Indians. They would NEVER do such a thing. It is a dog eat dog world and the sooner we realize it, the better. Can't change it so we have to be real about it and realize we have to live with it.

Why is it his problem?

If Madison, WI suffered a drought, natural disaster or other calamity and the wealthiest people in the city said, "Not our problem," how would you feel?

Feelings aside, logic, alone, dictates that when something is broken, fix it; if there is a deficiency, supplement it. And so on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

Why is it his problem?

Because one day, it may be his turn (to suffer), and one day, it may be yours/ours.

aklim · #37 05-12-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSilver

If Madison, WI suffered a drought, natural disaster or other calamity and the wealthiest people in the city said, "Not our problem," how would you feel?

Feelings aside, logic, alone, dictates that when something is broken, fix it; if there is a deficiency, supplement it. And so on.

Because one day, it may be his turn (to suffer), and one day, it may be yours/ours.

I would expect it. It would be my problem to fix or move or die. I'd be fine with it.

Logic also dictates we take care of our own problems first before fixing somebody else's.

When it is his turn to suffer, he can fix it himself. If it is my day in the barrel, well, it sucks to be me. If I cannot take care of myself, I don't deserve to live.

EricSilver · #38 05-12-2008, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

I would expect it. It would be my problem to fix or move or die. I'd be fine with it.

Logic also dictates we take care of our own problems first before fixing somebody else's.

Too many people think the way you do.

You say "we" should take care of "our" problems, but if I and others remove ourselves from the "we" equation -- because we feel those problems do not concern us, or we simply don't care -- where would that leave you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

If I cannot take care of myself, I don't deserve to live.

Do you actually believe that you (or anyone else) stands alone, and succeeds in life completely independently, without the support and cooperation of others?

aklim · #39 05-12-2008, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSilver

Too many people think the way you do.

You say "we" should take care of "our" problems, but if I and others remove ourselves from the "we" equation -- because we feel those problems do not concern us, or we simply don't care -- where would that leave you?

Do you actually believe that you (or anyone else) stands alone, and succeeds in life completely independently, without the support and cooperation of others?

I know. I can't change it so why bother? I just realize it and adapt to those circumstances.

To sink or swim according to my abilities.

Of course not. However, that support and cooperation of others comes WITH A PRICE. IF I cannot meet that price, I don't get the support and cooperation I need then I don't succeed. So, I best have something that you would want if I want your support and cooperation. If I cannot or will not attain this item to trade, sucks to be me. I deserve what I get.

EricSilver · #40 05-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

I know. I can't change it so why bother? I just realize it and adapt to those circumstances. To sink or swim according to my abilities.

If I cannot or will not attain this item to trade, sucks to be me. I deserve what I get.

If you were in need, no one (at least no decent person) would be asking, "what does he have to trade?" They would just help you and leave it at that.

You philosophy is correct when everyone is prosperous. But people with nothing have nothing to trade, and the rules must be suspended.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

I can't change it so why bother?

Imagine what this country -- and world -- would be like if people like Christ, Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King, Bill Gates, etc. felt that way.

LaRondo · #41 05-12-2008, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst

Did you read what you posted?

If that's what you use as evidence for support of an argument, I have some great investment opportunities for you.

B

PS here's a great site for info: http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f11/planned-bush-land-purchase-paraguay-4220.html

I'm sorry Mr B, I was trying to log on and research the site you suggested, but both of my AV programs poped a warning in face "potential phishing site detected" and had blocked access.

However, I am very considerate on how I conduct searches and posts. It's been 2 years since this kind of news has been circulating and most of it is off the web meanwhile. There was a lot more that would arouse your senses.

But I have to say, my bad, the reference to the J. Blaustein institute I made is unsubstantiated.

Correctly, an Emeritus Professor at the Blaustein Institute of Desert Research BIDR, Dr. Arie Issar, has contributed a great deal of knowledge to the International Association of Hydrologists and has been awarded the IAH's president's award for his contributions in underground water research.
The BIDR is best known for its extensive expertise in underground water research and geo-hydrological accomplishments, particularly successful in Israel's Negev Desert.
Maybe this will make you feel better.

Yet, in the attachment on the bottom of this post, you will find the application document filed by AJC to participate in activities through the OAS.

This is related to human rights activities. You will find the J.Blaustein Institute named as a supporting element.

GEF Guarani project
http://www.waterweb.org/wis3/presentations/30_Usunoff_paper.pdf

World Bank Guarani project:
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTWRD/Resources/GWMATE_English_CP9.pdf

OAS/ Guarani Aquifer
http://www.oas.org/dsd/Events/english/Documents/OSDE_7Guarani.pdf

Concerning Privatization of water resources in S. America:
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/development/journal/v51/n1/full/1100440a.html

Since you are so keen throwing others into the conspriracy basket, take a look at this:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/after/2003/0512bechtelrule.htm

the World Bank's involment, pressuring privatization of national water sysytems:
http://www.50years.org/cms/ejn/story/85

or do else a run down on:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bechtel+water+bolivia&btnG=Google+Search

aklim · #42 05-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricSilver

If you were in need, no one (at least no decent person) would be asking, "what does he have to trade?" They would just help you and leave it at that.

You philosophy is correct when everyone is prosperous. But people with nothing have nothing to trade, and the rules must be suspended.

Imagine what this country -- and world -- would be like if people like Christ, Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King, Bill Gates, etc. felt that way.

Yes, just like Little Red Riding Hood, the woodcutter solves the problem for her and no questions asked. So far, I haven't found a fairy tale world. I haven't found anyone that didn't do something for something. There is always a price and I prefer to get it up front. If I look deep enough, I can always find a reason why somebody did something good for me. Always. Maybe they weren't looking for a return favor from me. Maybe it is because they wanted to add to their karmic bank for their own reasons. Maybe they did it to please the deity of their choice. Maybe they did it for the warm feeling in the tummy. I don't know who does what for what but I know there has always to be a reason.

Why? I've got no money so the mechanic should fix my car for free? The sub shop should give me free food? I expect NOTHING for free and I don't believe that anyone owes you or anyone else a living.

Think they don't have their own axe to grind? Remember, the payback doesn't have to be monetary. You can be paid in a different coin too and it counts. As to Christ, I haven't seen proof of his his deeds. Maybe he could do magic, maybe it was a slight of hand. I have yet to see anyone act without an axe to grind. It might be subtle but it is there. I train my dogs with the philosophy that NILIF because it happens to be something I have observed to be true in real life.

Botnst · #43 05-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaRondo

I'm sorry Mr B, I was trying to log on and research the site you suggested, but both of my AV programs poped a warning in face "potential phishing site detected" and had blocked access.

However, I am very considerate on how I conduct searches and posts. It's been 2 years since this kind of news has been circulating and most of it is off the web meanwhile. There was a lot more that would arouse your senses.

But I have to say, my bad, the reference to the J. Blaustein institute I made is unsubstantiated.

Correctly, an Emeritus Professor at the Blaustein Institute of Desert Research BIDR, Dr. Arie Issar, has contributed a great deal of knowledge to the International Association of Hydrologists and has been awarded the IAH's president's award for his contributions in underground water research.
The BIDR is best known for its extensive expertise in underground water research and geo-hydrological accomplishments, particularly successful in Israel's Negev Desert.
Maybe this will make you feel better.

Yet, in the attachment on the bottom of this post, you will find the application document filed by AJC to participate in activities through the OAS.

This is related to human rights activities. You will find the J.Blaustein Institute named as a supporting element.

GEF Guarani project
http://www.waterweb.org/wis3/presentations/30_Usunoff_paper.pdf

World Bank Guarani project:
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTWRD/Resources/GWMATE_English_CP9.pdf

OAS/ Guarani Aquifer
http://www.oas.org/dsd/Events/english/Documents/OSDE_7Guarani.pdf

Concerning Privatization of water resources in S. America:
http://www.palgrave-journals.com/development/journal/v51/n1/full/1100440a.html

Since you are so keen throwing others into the conspriracy basket, take a look at this:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/after/2003/0512bechtelrule.htm

the World Bank's involment, pressuring privatization of national water sysytems:
http://www.50years.org/cms/ejn/story/85

or do else a run down on:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bechtel+water+bolivia&btnG=Google+Search

Better.

I see no Dubyuh conspiracy. Perhaps you can indicate it?

cmac2012 · #44 05-12-2008, 04:49 PM

Dubya and crew are never going to announce such things. Trying to read too much into events is problematic but so is assuming that proven crooks and liars operate from a place of supreme generosity and love.

aklim · #45 05-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Dubya and crew are never going to announce such things. Trying to read too much into events is problematic but so is assuming that proven crooks and liars operate from a place of supreme generosity and love.

Nobody operates from that position. Everybody does something for some reason. Maybe he is just investing his money. Maybe he is trying to go there and run for leader. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Until there is solid proof, I don't think we can jump to that conclusion that there is a conspiracy going on. I know it isn't as sexy as some undercover operation to destabilize the world and take over but it might be something simple.