I saw this bit on Countdown last night -- the unseen footage of the producer:

http://www.barelypolitical.com/

I have mixed feelings about Matthews but he damn sure ***** slapped that wingnut talking head a good one.

The 'appeasement, Neville Chamberlain' thing has been milked to death by the righties.

Best I can tell, 'appeasement' has come to mean anything other than carrying on as though we control all matters on the planet.

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There's plenty of documentation.The drawer designated for "denier claims" is overstuffed.
A simple solution. Until the drawer is about to burst.

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And which author do you suggest? Sir Winston Churchill?

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Well, the spin starts with "bitter Germans" and ends with 6 million killed Jews. In between I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that there is a blame on Israel for Germany's WWII destruction?
As you state otherwise Israel as such exists only since 1948?

On another note, Matt, I'll ask you, when does the US government stop to appease Israel and/or cover their wrong doing and let them get away with murder? Since 60 years.

You made many claims to be a humble Christian and made countless quotes from scriptures.
You seem to forget a very basic trademark of Christianity. Foregiveness!

Now, if you find any sign of forgiveness in spreading Pseudo-Anti-Nazi propaganda on anyone's plate, plus setting standards for requirement to obey those repetitive notions, mantra-like, as an entire nation ...

...bye bye America!

If you refer to me personally as a "bitter German", I can enlighten you. I am not.
Yet, I am definitely one of them, speaking out against the ongoing defamation of Germans in general, because of 3. Reich history.

Also, I am Christian, my heart thrives on forgiveness. NO scriptures required!

Read this with a conscious mind:

Germans are a fine people, they always were and they always will be.
They are not perfect, just as noone else is perfect.

Here you can take a little tour on the numerical terms of Jews and others perished through the given period:

http://www.rense.com/general62/cnn.htm

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That is a good start, but I recomend reading some of the books written by the German officers.


Primary source info is the best, it allows you to get the most complete picture.

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I reckon the latter describe mostly battle strategies, flawed or successful.

Reading Churchill, one needs to keep in mind, he didn't write for Germans.

Yet, in many of his accounts he makes remarks in form of concessions, way beyond the British/German confrontation.

Personally, I find this to be the more agreeable tone of his writings, since I never understood why those issues between Brits and Germans where present in the first place.

Looking at it from this angle I can also understand Chamberlain’s often laughed about attempts. He was a good man, it wasn’t his fault that the outcome of the Munich agreement backfired.

One needs to clearly understand, that Hitler was not German, by no means.

It may sound harsh and supremecist, but he descended from across the border in Austria, a completely different ancestral stock.

If you check Churchill's particular references regarding the Jewish situation across Europe, you will find indications that may well be understood in consensus with the statement made in post #10.

Of course, he and nobody else, was able to spell it out any clearer. After all they were enemies at war. You’d have to read between the lines.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/11/news/winston.php

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I didn't mean to be disrespectful of your religious conviction.

German's were the first ones I had to forgive for what they f***ed up in the past and even today, there are many things that do not sit well with me.
Yet, I have to stay firm on what is of value to me.

I can't put the "Good Book" above My Heart. My Heart rules.

If I make mistakes, so be it. I made many in the past and I had to pay for it. I am not making them light headed anymore, at least I hope so, but we're only human and bound to make mistakes.

Besides, I don't approve justification of "wrong doing" based on another "wrong doing".

It is naturally, the lack of respect humans have for each other, which is causing problems. Not religions or ethnicity.

Ps. Why don't you take some time out and watch "Pale Rider", or go to http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/index.php

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Does O'Reilly make money for his employer?

B

Ah yes, the ultimate redemption. The ability to generate revenue for one's employer.

Do you think anybody on commercial TV would be there if she didn't?

B

Are their any good books that detail the German side of the war?

I don't know if there are because a lot of the people who could have written one either shut up in fear or died shortly after.

I will say one thing, after learning more and more about the German military and their excellent command system I find I disagree with a lot that went on at the the Nuremberg Trials. Certianly their were people who deserved it but I think a lot of it was simply vengence.

I remember at the end of Guderians book he made no apology for what he did.(not that he did anything that he needed to apologize for) He simply said he was a solider and he worked his hardest to see Germany win.

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Oh Yeah, O'Reilly. I knew there was somebody, I almost forgot about it ....

How about, "Dancing with O'Reilly" ... I bet he brings in some cash ....

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I wonder how much the average German soldier knew about what Hitler was doing. On the other hand, so much of what they did in the ghettos and the concentration camps can't be justified, no matter how you cut it. And it took a whole bunch of willing accomplices to carry out those abominations.

I was recently at a dinner with several people, most of whom were only barely acquainted. One of the people at the dinner was a lady visiting from Germany. She was talking about the remote village where she grew up. You could have heard a pin drop when she said that she had been a member of the Hitler Youth. She said that the war was almost over by the time she and her family figured out that Hitler was a mad man. Propaganda is a powerful thing.

Very funny article about O'Reilly's obsession with Keith Olberman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html?hpid=topnews

I like Olberman's "Worst Person in the World" schtick, although I think he has to stretch to make O'Reilly win as often as he does. He had one a few weeks ago that really had me laughing. Bill O was expressing his outrage at the release of some almost-nude photos of Miley Cyrus. Bill O said that there needed to be a "conference" to discuss the issue and put some decency back into show business. Olberman took that comment and ran, conjuring up images of what would go on at the "conference" that Bill O wanted to convene to discuss pictures of teenage girls. It was the first thing I've seen on TV in a long time that had me really laughing out loud. I'll bet Bill O's blood pressure went through the roof on that one.

Katie Couric?