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aklim · #16 07-10-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sfloriII

I know a television engineer that had a lot of back problems/pain. He bought a watch that has two magnets in it and swears that he problems have been solved. Just makes you wonder. I'm no doctor, but you've gotta think that all the electricity in the body should be able to be affected by magnets. I suppose the question is whether magnets can affect the body to a degree that is noticable or can make a difference.

What caused the pain? If we don't know that, how do we decide what "cured" it?

Idolotor · #17 07-10-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Drug or Placebo, if you think it works....it works.

That's true! The power of the mind is a mysterious force.

If he thinks it makes him feel better, so be it. Who's to argue with him over feeling better? Or what causes it.

Whatever works!

aklim · #18 07-10-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Idolotor

That's true! The power of the mind is a mysterious force.

If he thinks it makes him feel better, so be it. Who's to argue with him over feeling better? Or what causes it.

AKA Placebo effect. It doesn't always work.

Is feeling better the way to gauge? Without knowing the root cause, you might be treating the symptom only and where does that get you?

aklim · #19 07-10-2008, 06:14 PM

Here is something that worked because I thought it worked. Or is it?

I had a old car that was problematic once in a while. This was a beater car in the winter I got in late fall. Sometimes, it would kinda buck and sputter like it had bad gas. It was winter so I suppose condensation could have built up. Dump in some gas dry and it is fixed. One day, on the way to Chicago, it acted up again. Well, the fix always worked. Pulled in to the gas station and bought some gas dry. Dropped one of the unopened cans under the car. What did I see? A bright red glowing thing. Hmmmm. Got home and cut it off and no problems. Seems like the gas dry was working because it would cool off by the time I got it and so it could go on.

Medmech · #20 07-10-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Idolotor

That's true! The power of the mind is a mysterious force.

If he thinks it makes him feel better, so be it. Who's to argue with him over feeling better? Or what causes it.

Whatever works!

Thats right if you spend anytime with chronic pain patients you will find that while most respond well to med's others respond to acupuncture, hot tubs, weed, petting their dog or whatever works. A friend of mine had bad pain in his right arm he went through every treatment in the book, they found via biofeedback that the problem was a nerve in his left hand...figure that one out, they think his wiring was screwed up or it was purely psychosomatic.

Medmech · #21 07-10-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

What caused the pain? If we don't know that, how do we decide what "cured" it?

Doesn't matter, whatever the last treatment was that stopped the pain is the one that cured it whether its massage, a sugar pill, electrical neuro bombardment or drugs. There are people that can shut pain off via mind control of pain receptors figure that one out Yoda.

aklim · #22 07-11-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Doesn't matter, whatever the last treatment was that stopped the pain is the one that cured it whether its massage, a sugar pill, electrical neuro bombardment or drugs.

There are people that can shut pain off via mind control of pain receptors figure that one out Yoda.

But how do you know it can really work and cure the problem? Is masking the pain a good idea? It is after you know the root cause. Not before you do otherwise you might never find the root cause and it can and will come back to bite you. I can't remember what a good friend of mine took but it was some herbal thingy that cured a very mild rectal bleed. FFW to a year and a half later, it came back and he has lost half his colon and could have died. Might be better off if he had found the root cause of the bleeding instead of just fixing it.

Never met anyone that could and do it consistently. So is it simply that they have a higher threshold? Don't know.

Medmech · #23 07-11-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

But how do you know it can really work and cure the problem? Is masking the pain a good idea? It is after you know the root cause. Not before you do otherwise you might never find the root cause and it can and will come back to bite you. I can't remember what a good friend of mine took but it was some herbal thingy that cured a very mild rectal bleed. FFW to a year and a half later, it came back and he has lost half his colon and could have died. Might be better off if he had found the root cause of the bleeding instead of just fixing it.

Never met anyone that could and do it consistently. So is it simply that they have a higher threshold? Don't know.

There are many things that cause pain of course you try to find the cause of the pain, thats obvious curing the pain varies from person to person.

So if magnetic bracelets help a person with joint pain leave it at that, its non-invasive and as far as we know can do no harm.

#24 07-11-2008, 08:16 AM

There is nothing in the human body that can be affected by weak magnets like those in bracelets. If there was then an MRI would cure almost everything, however, an MRI machine is 2,000-15,000 Gauss. Even if the bracelet uses neodymium magnet(s) it wouldn't have the strength of the weakest of MRI machines and the field wouldn't pass much further than the skin.

Magnetic bracelets work as a decorative piece of Jewelry but nothing else.

Medmech · #25 07-11-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

There is nothing in the human body that can be affected by weak magnets like those in bracelets. If there was then an MRI would cure almost everything, however, an MRI machine is 2,000-15,000 Gauss. Even if the bracelet uses neodymium magnet(s) it wouldn't have the strength of the weakest of MRI machines and the field wouldn't pass much further than the skin.

Magnetic bracelets work as a decorative piece of Jewelry but nothing else.

Nobody here is has the credentials to discuss the benefits pain therapies, the point is if a person thinks it works...it works. The magnets may be a placebo and most studies point that way but again if they think it works leave em alone.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6813

#26 07-11-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

the point is if a person thinks it works...it works.

You miss the point entirely, they don't work. If they think a placebo works then they are mistaken, its coincidence that the problem went away at that time or the problem wasn't real to start with.

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The magnets may be a placebo and most studies point that way but again if they think it works leave em alone.

Not when people are being screwed out of their money. $5 billion is a LOT of money that could have been spent on better things than thickening scammers wallets.

aklim · #27 07-11-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Not when people are being screwed out of their money. $5 billion is a LOT of money that could have been spent on better things than thickening scammers wallets.

You and I know it doesn't work but if they are stupid enough, you know that a fool and his money are soon parted. Why do we need to protect people from their stupidity? Like with a job, if you are incapable of handling the responsibilities, I will find someone else. Same here. If the clown is incapable of handling his money, let someone else do it.

Medmech · #28 07-11-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

You miss the point entirely, they don't work. If they think a placebo works then they are mistaken, its coincidence that the problem went away at that time or the problem wasn't real to start with.

Not when people are being screwed out of their money. $5 billion is a LOT of money that could have been spent on better things than thickening scammers wallets.

How can they be mistaken if the pain goes away, how can you determine if another persons pain has subsided? What medical school did you graduate from? I'm not saying the magnets work or not...and don't care but if a certain remedy works for a person physiologically or psychologically it works.

aklim · #29 07-11-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Where did you get your medical degree?

When did you get board certified again?

Medmech · #30 07-11-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

You and I know it doesn't work but if they are stupid enough, you know that a fool and his money are soon parted. Why do we need to protect people from their stupidity? Like with a job, if you are incapable of handling the responsibilities, I will find someone else. Same here. If the clown is incapable of handling his money, let someone else do it.

You're the one that compared dry gas with pain management, now who's the fool?