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#31 07-11-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

What medical school did you graduate from?

Right back at you. I don't see a MD plaque in your signature.

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but if a certain remedy works for a person physiologically or psychologically it works.

Wrong.

aklim · #32 07-11-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

You're the one that compared dry gas with pain management, now who's the fool?

I will try to find a story you can draw a parallel with. Maybe one with pictures? It might take some time. Sorry about that. I should have realized that it escapes you.

aklim · #33 07-11-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Right back at you. I don't see a Ph.D plaque in your signature.

Wouldn't be a Ph.D (Piled High and Deep). It would be an MD since we are talking medical degrees. Or in his case, an absence of one.

aklim · #34 07-11-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

How can they be mistaken if the pain goes away, how can you determine if another persons pain has subsided? What medical school did you graduate from? I'm not saying the magnets work or not...and don't care but if a certain remedy works for a person physiologically or psychologically it works.

So when I broke my leg and morphine made the pain go away, why did I need surgery to fix it? Pain went away.

Medmech · #35 07-11-2008, 12:25 PM

I'm not the one playing Dr. with what works and doesn't you are, however I've spent countless hours in pain management groups with patients and doctors, while you and Aklim are trying to make sense out of your minute knowledge of chronic pain based on a couple experiences of your own.

The bottom line is if a person gets relief from something it works, many say acupuncture works while others say it is purely in the patients mind, in either case if the pain is relieved the procedure worked.

I know this may be difficult to but www.google.com is a good source for "placebo effect" here's a link where the cure stomach ulcers http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,,740721,00.html

Why don't you provide a link to contradict me?

aklim · #36 07-11-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

I'm not the one playing Dr. with what works and doesn't you are, however I've spent countless hours in pain management groups with patients and doctors, while you and Aklim are trying to make sense out of your minute knowledge of chronic pain based on a couple experiences of your own.

The bottom line is if a person gets relief from something it works, many say acupuncture works while others say it is purely in the patients mind, in either case if the pain is relieved the procedure worked.

here's a link where the cure stomach ulcers http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/story/0,,740721,00.html

Why don't you provide a link to contradict me?

So you spent hours with them. Good for you. Bottom line in the eyes of the law, neither of us are licensed to diagnose or treat, right? So why ask about our medical degrees? Without one, what makes your observation any more valid? Your countless hours of layperson observation? Your abrasive tactics?

How do you define "works"? Will opiates work for pretty much everything? Probably will since I could dope the patient enough to the point that they feel nothing. However, by your definition, it works since the pain is now gone. So morphine cures a broke leg since the pain is gone, doesn't it? The principle is the same whatever you do. Band aid the problem doesn't make it go away if you don't know what caused it in the first place. Pain control without understanding the root cause is the refuge of a lazy practitioner or one who has run out of options.

A study last year looked at the results from double-blinded trials for stomach-ulcer medication around the world. The average placebo response rate was 35%, which was the figure for the US, but in Germany it shot up to 59%. In neighbouring Denmark, however, it dropped to 22%, while in Brazil it was just 7%. The reason for these differences is unknown.

Did I miss the part about the "cure"?

Medmech · #37 07-11-2008, 01:05 PM

Some people don't react to opioids at all, figure that one out pokey. You are trying to back track on your so called point just admit that people respond to different treatments and drugs in different ways, I know you can't but if you do you may be on the path to learning something or maybe even growing up.

Like I said google and read more than a sentence if at all possible.

aklim · #38 07-11-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Some people don't react to opioids at all, figure that one out pokey.

You are trying to back track on your so called point just admit that people respond to different treatments and drugs in different ways,

I know you can't but if you do you may be on the path to learning something or maybe even growing up.

Like I said google and read more than a sentence if at all possible.

Your point being, what? That those people cannot be "cured" of a broken leg by opiods?

What a discovery. I always wondered why there are so many different meds that treat the same thing.

Ya Think? I'm trying to say that just because you remove the pain doesn't mean it is cured or do you disagree

And what? Become you? I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Besides, there is nothing you can teach me that I would want to know.

I read more than one sentence of your tripe. What makes you think that I cannot read more than one sentence. Point out what I missed if you are so great. Personally I think not but I will be content to let you live in your imaginary world.

Medmech · #39 07-11-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Your point being, what? That those people cannot be "cured" of a broken leg by opiods?

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Opiods don't cure anything SFB, jeezus are you drunk or something? My god you're delusional.

Its no wonder people avoid you like they do.

aklim · #40 07-11-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Opiods don't cure anything SFB, jeezus are you drunk or something? My god you're delusional.

Its no wonder people avoid you like they do.

You said "Doesn't matter, whatever the last treatment was that stopped the pain is the one that cured it whether its massage, a sugar pill, electrical neuro bombardment or drugs.". I put it to you that the opiod given to a guy with a broken leg stopped the pain. Why is that not a "cure"? I'm saying that stopping the pain is NOT NECESSARILY a cure. You need to know the root cause of the pain BEFORE you can cure it. In this case, fix the broken leg and then give the pain meds. Just giving pain meds is masking the problem.

And you know this how? Your vast knowledge from observing me in my daily routines? Your SWAGs? Feel free to join that group and avoid me if you like. Since you are not performing fellatio on me or signing my paycheck, it won't matter, will it?

Chad300tdt · #41 07-11-2008, 02:44 PM

While googling "SWAG" (scientific wild @ss guess) I came across this website:
http://www.theswag.com/index.html

I want to plan a trip to go there now.

This forum is incredible ... even in insult and argument there is much to be learned and discovered.

TMAllison · #42 07-11-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

While googling "SWAG" (scientific wild @ss guess) I came across this website:
http://www.theswag.com/index.html

I want to plan a trip to go there now.

This forum is incredible ... even in insult and argument there is much to be learned and discovered.

WOW, those Smokey Mountains are even smokier than it is here right now.

Chad300tdt · #43 07-11-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TMAllison

WOW, those Smokey Mountains are even smokier than it is here right now.

I just read a recent report that states "So far some 753,000 acres (304,700 hectares) have been consumed by flames during the crisis, stretching the state's resources to breaking point."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5is2rX-EaPfIvkzSwkYW3KEZljYmQ

I hope things get under control ASAP.

aklim · #44 07-11-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

While googling "SWAG" (scientific wild @ss guess) I came across this website:
http://www.theswag.com/index.html

I want to plan a trip to go there now.

This forum is incredible ... even in insult and argument there is much to be learned and discovered.

And if you have a Powerstroke truck you can go to see DP-Tuner in Hoschton, GA and have your truck live tuned.