For those who wish to dish out on Christianity - Page 17 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

RichC · #**241** 07-25-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cudaspaz

Another close minded, awe inspiring comment from a personal opinion lumping all Christians into his little personal stereotype.
And you cal me paranopid/ delusional but your opinions stink of your own fear much more than you accuse others of.

For some reason Christian's scare you, I think you are afraid the Bible may be true and your stubborness may be your downfall.You don't want it to be true because the outcome may not be good for you.

One thing you may not realize about Christians is they don't run around acting like they are better than everyone else, they just want to see everyone else hear the instructions God gave to us, but the mainstream media paints Christians as lunatics, and only sensationalizes on the ones like Pat Robertson and Oral Roberts, reverend Wright and others who are very much lunatics that give Christianity a bad name.

I personally go to church on Sundays so my pastor can give me a kick in the pants for all the stupid stuff I did all week as I recognize I'm a sinner and not perfect by any means, and I will be judged someday for my sins and that is the only thing that scares me.

My pastor even edmits his shortcomings to the congregation, he uses himself as an example of a sinner and admits he's fallible, pathetic at times and cannot do it on his own....he's a humble person.

I think you need to do some research about the things that you think you know about but have absolutely no clue about other than what the TV or radio tells you.

You seem to be very good at name calling and pointing fingers, but it only makes you look the part of the hypocrite when you accuse those of doing the same thing you are guilty of and for some reason you seem to seek personal glory by trying to win arguments in your very small, opinionated mind.

The only thing that matters is nothing is more powerful than God, and He is in control, and no we can't explain his reasons, but we are here for a reason like it or not.

I still say, go pick up a Bible so you can actually add a little more to your arguments other than your self indulging opinions.....blah, blah, blah, blah.

I used to fear god but I got over that.

Now can you answer my earlier questions or not ?

RichC
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aklim · #**242** 07-25-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cudaspaz

It would be so much easier to believe if God made frequent visits. He did in the past, and men recorded it. He destroyed the world once and wiped everyone away because of sin.

Hows that for a spit in the face.

If God showed up it would create panic and mayhem in today's world, think about it. He's not gonna show up until it's time, then mayhem and panic will start, and that is written as well.

That's just my best guess at looking at the question, but he did make a personal appearance with Adam in the garden, as he walked with him in the garden, but this was also before adam was forbidden from eating from the tree of life. Jesus wass also God in the flesh and walked among us.

God revealed himself enough through time I guess, so when he destroys the earth with fire as he promised, I guess that's when he will show himself again.

What they thought were his visits. To the cave man, I can point my stick at them and kill them (Rifle). I can bring light in the darkest night (flashlight). I can move great distances and fly in the sky and kill them at will (airplane). They might think I am a god too.

Not that big a person, is he?

Well, ain't that convenient. Yes it might cause a panic. Of course, what has been happening since isn't a picnic either, is it?

No corroborating evidence again? How can we be certain of that?

So did Nostradamus but I am not about to believe he is a god of any sort. He also predicted events that might or might not have happened if you looked at it in a certain angle.

tonkovich · #**243** 07-25-2008, 03:54 PM

don't waste your time talking to someone who has been brainwashed by a cult

find me a nice daily driver w126 or w108 in l.a. for cheap - i promise not to drive it to any churches or political rallies (scout's honor-well so to speak, agnostics aren't allowed there) or even to a polling place

btw some of my best friends are "believers" - i just know not to go there

if there is a"god", its the experience of running flat out at 105 on a deserted freeway at 5am on a saturday - with coltrane blaring and the big 5.0 purring at about 3k rpm - a beautiful mixture of sound and speed and exhilaration and engineering and nature - sun coming up - and also a wonderful solitary moment (and if i crash-hey i wont hurt anyone but me -and in that 126 i probably will walk away)

peace

cudaspaz · #**244** 07-25-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

I used to fear god but I got over that.

Now can you answer my earlier questions or not ?

RichC
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Why waste time with an argument that is going nowhere?

You already have your mind made up and answering your childish questions will prove what? and for whom at the behest of your ridicule?

Sorry, time for graduation from a third grade discussion.

Man, are you always this miserable?

I have cars to work on, late lunch over.

A264172 · #**245** 07-25-2008, 04:19 PM

Religion can be a tool.
i.e. it was Ferdinand II with the Inquisition in the 15th century.

On the tail side you have a lesson or two to a parturient soul.
i.e. if you don't feel grateful for what you didn't earn you're probably a self absorbed dic.

Matt L · #**246** 07-25-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Read this:
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/humans-evolving.html

That's an interesting article, and seems to be directly on point. In retrospect, my statement was completely incorrect. We are still evolving, due to such pressures. However, I don't think these pressures will lead to the elimination of the appendix.

Lest we forget, this is still evolution, even though it does not do any good for our species as a whole. Evolution is unguided with no defined direction. We are what we are, we will be what we will be.

We are not more evolved than an amoeba. We're both at the same point in evolution. What makes people think that we are more evolved than an amoeba is the assumption that humans are the end goal of evolution, and this cannot be the case.

MS Fowler · #**247** 07-25-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Doesn't the Bible say the Earth is only a few thousand years old and man was created shortly after Earth's creation? Then how do you explain dinosaur fossils which date back about 70 million years or Earth's actual age which is over 4 billion years the fact that modern humans didn't evolve until about 20,000 years ago? This is all well documented by carbon dating.

I have answered this several times, but for the benefit of maybe some new members, here goes...
NOWHERE does the Bible give an age of the earth, or a date of creation. The infamopus 4004 BC date is the result of some rather poor scholarship, and assumptions. Bishop Usher came up with those dates by adding the age of the various patriarchs to arrive at the time of creation. This is based on a faulty understanding of the Jewish mind, and use of genealogies. The Jewsih culture is essentially an eastern one, as opposed to a European culture which came from Greece. The Greek mind thinks about adding up dates; the Jewish mind would never consider doing such a thing.
The genealogies are listed to give the family background, and often only the highlights are listed. It would be like an American being told, " You are descended from George Washington. The Jews listed the important people in the line; not necessarily every person. One simply example is the one given of Jesus as son of David, son of Abraham. Obviously there are more than 2 generations between Jesus and Abraham, but the point for the author was that Jesus is a son of these two greats in Jewish history.
The point is that it would never have been the authors' intention to list every progenitor in the line. Therefore to simply add up their ages is to get a wrong answer.

There is a another, more subtle hint in the creation account that the earth is old, and that we are living in what is the second creation here on earth. If you look at the beginning of Genesis, you will read, " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was ( became) formless, and void ( wasteland)." ( The words in parentheses() are alternate translations that fit better than the usual ones.)
Compare the idea of a wasteland with what we read every time God creates in the rest of the account. We read " And it was GOOD". over and over again. So when God creates, the result is "good". How to reconcile this with the earlier verse that says , " became a wasteland".
There are some Christians who see this, and other passages as pointing to an earlier creation, judgement, and destruction of earth. This would put the time of the original creation well back into the dark past.
So, no, the Bible does not require a young earth.

MS Fowler · #**248** 07-25-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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We sailed across the water for religious freedom.

Now you want to take that away by having a religious state.

Our forefathers and some people today understand that the only way to
have religious freedom is to have a separation of church and state.

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Now your turn to answer my questions.

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Who wants a religious State?
Certainly not me.

aklim · #**249** 07-25-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Who wants a religious State?
Certainly not me.

Didn't certain groups have a hand in prohibition? Abortion? Isn't the church involving itself in political issues also?

MS Fowler · #**250** 07-25-2008, 05:06 PM

People who ate baked beans also had a hand in prohibition.
What does that prove?

aklim · #**251** 07-25-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

People who ate baked beans also had a hand in prohibition.
What does that prove?

Why is the church meddling in affairs that are NOT religious? I don't care if they sit in their abbey and pray all day but should they be part of trying to change laws to fit their version of things as according to the bible?

RichC · #**252** 07-25-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cudaspaz

Why waste time with an argument that is going nowhere?

You already have your mind made up and answering your childish questions will prove what? and for whom at the behest of your ridicule?

Sorry, time for graduation from a third grade discussion.

Man, are you always this miserable?

I have cars to work on, late lunch over.

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You just called asking someone about the 10 commandments childish...

You cannot answer a simple question honestly and you say I am miserable ?

Why are you even on this forum if you don't wish to discuss things ?

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RichC · #**253** 07-25-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Who wants a religious State?
Certainly not me.

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Then why do you want your religious based ideas to became law ?

Issues like same sex marriage, and religious holidays....

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MS Fowler · #**254** 07-25-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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Then why do you want your religious based ideas to became law ?

Issues like same sex marriage, and religious holidays....

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For much the same reason as you favor disapprove those things; I think they either improve society, or hurt society. That I may find guidance in the Bible for my views does not make them wrong, anymore than your views, for whatever reason, makes them right, in itself.
The ideas stand or fall on their own.
The Bible says not to murder. Does that mean you support murder? Does the adoption on anti-murder laws by a society make that society a religious State?
Your argument seems a tad ridiculous.
You seem so angry and anti religion that you automatically hate every idea that might find its origin the Bible.
Have I ever tried to coerce your behavior? You are a free moral agent to choose to do whatever you will. Can you not grant that same simple grace to others? Or must you control everyone and everything?
Relax.

RichC · #**255** 07-25-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

For much the same reason as you favor disapprove those things; I think they either improve society, or hurt society. That I may find guidance in the Bible for my views does not make them wrong, anymore than your views, for whatever reason, makes them right, in itself.
The ideas stand or fall on their own.
The Bible says not to murder. Does that mean you support murder? Does the adoption on anti-murder laws by a society make that society a religious State?
Your argument seems a tad ridiculous.
You seem so angry and anti religion that you automatically hate every idea that might find its origin the Bible.
Have I ever tried to coerce your behavior? You are a free moral agent to choose to do whatever you will. Can you not grant that same simple grace to others? Or must you control everyone and everything?
Relax.

It is not in anyones best interest to take away human rights.
That includes people who are gay.

Your bible does state in one of its commandments that " thou shall not kill "
But you support capitol punishment.
Is that not killing ?

The rules of your religion, when taken literally, are impossible to uphold.

You still have not answered my original questions....

RichC

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