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Idolotor · #1 08-04-2008, 02:47 PM

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What if they are right?

If there's only one way to eternal life and you know what it is, wouldn't you feel some sort of moral obligation to persuade people to change their perspective on life, the universe, and everything?

There is a problem with their thinking though... Their implication is that ONLY they are right and everyone else is wrong. That's a judgement call by christianity itself and their own bible says it's wrong to sit in judgement of others. They're violating their own rules of conduct.

It's an elitists attitude, pretty much like all the rest of the religions on Earth also have. Christianity is no better or different than any of the others. Just a different flavor...

kerry · #2 08-04-2008, 02:53 PM

Has anyone ever run across a (quasi) Christian or Muslim who thinks that their God demands that avoidance of eternal punishment only comes thru their religion but refuses to worship such a god for reasons of moral principle since it puts too many innocent good people in hell for eternity for no good reason?

In other words, why doesn't MS refuse to worship his own God since this God is sending Aklim to hell, whereas Aklim doesn't really seem to deserve it?

BENZ-LGB · #3 08-04-2008, 04:56 PM

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whereas Aklim doesn't really seem to deserve it?

That last point is debatable. I think even aklim would agree that he is in all probability earned a ticket on the down escalator.

And, technically speaking (as long as we are speking about Christianity) we are all born with a one-way ticket on the down elevator.

It is through faith and God's grace that we get to turn in that down ticket and pick up a ride on the up elevator.

Idolotor · #4 08-04-2008, 05:00 PM

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That last point is debatable. I think even aklim would agree that he is in all probability earned a ticket on the down escalator.

And, technically speaking (as long as we are speking about Christianity) we are all born with a one-way ticket on the down elevator.

It is through faith and God's grace that we get to turn in that down ticket and pick up a ride on the up elevator.

So... you think we're all born evil or bad?

BENZ-LGB · #5 08-04-2008, 05:19 PM

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So... you think we're all born evil or bad?

Yes. Some worse than others, but we are all tainted by the original sin.

Idolotor · #6 08-04-2008, 05:27 PM

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Yes. Some worse than others, but we are all tainted by the original sin.

So you think that your own god makes something that is bad huh? (people?)

I guess he's not so perfect.

A flawed god... time to switch!

kerry · #7 08-04-2008, 05:29 PM

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And, technically speaking (as long as we are speking about Christianity) we are all born with a one-way ticket on the down elevator.
It is through faith and God's grace that we get to turn in that down ticket and pick up a ride on the up elevator.

All the more reason to resist worship of such a God on moral principle.

A264172 · #8 08-04-2008, 05:34 PM

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All the more reason to resist worship of such a God on moral principle.

It's called co-dependency.

The world treats us like Schmidt and is guaranteed to kill us someday, but some poor suckers can't seem to stop loving it.

BENZ-LGB · #9 08-04-2008, 05:46 PM

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All the more reason to resist worship of such a God on moral principle.

Your statement makes no sense, logically or otherwise.

kerry · #10 08-04-2008, 05:55 PM

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Your statement makes no sense, logically or otherwise.

It's a question of whether it is fair to condemn people to eternal punishment for sins which they inevitably commit since they are born with original sin. Any God who created a world with such a skewed moral compass should be opposed on moral principle.

BENZ-LGB · #11 08-04-2008, 06:07 PM

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It's a question of whether it is fair to condemn people to eternal punishment for sins which they inevitably commit since they are born with original sin. Any God who created a world with such a skewed moral compass should be opposed on moral principle.

We each hold the key to salvation. No one needs to rot in hell. (Or burn).

We may all sin, but we can be saved. Sounds like a pretty decent deal to me.

I would like to be able to walk up to the bank that holds the mortgage on my house and have them forgive the entire loan. I am pretty sure that is not going to happen.

God, on the other hand, is willing to write off the entire debt.

aklim · #12 08-04-2008, 05:44 PM

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That last point is debatable. I think even aklim would agree that he is in all probability earned a ticket on the down escalator.

And, technically speaking (as long as we are speking about Christianity) we are all born with a one-way ticket on the down elevator.

It is through faith and God's grace that we get to turn in that down ticket and pick up a ride on the up elevator.

According to those texts, probably. However, since I don't believe in them, I don't believe in the elevator so it doesn't matter.

BENZ-LGB · #13 08-04-2008, 05:49 PM

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According to those texts, probably.

We agree on something then...

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However, since I don't believe in them, I don't believe in the elevator so it doesn't matter.

Just because I may chose no to believe in something does not mean that it isn't there.

aklim · #14 08-04-2008, 05:57 PM

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Just because I may chose no to believe in something does not mean that it isn't there.

But it doesn't mean it IS there because you choose to believe in it either. Our belief or disbelief will not make it or make it not present. It either is or is not present, independent of us.