Dismembering "Intelligent" Design - Page 6 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

raymr · #76 09-10-2008, 11:12 PM

Well at least we are past the Adam & Eve thing.

#77 09-11-2008, 02:24 AM

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That means "no", dude. Dog and cat breeds are a perfect example of the intelligent design though. Many were made from breeder's experiments, not natural evolution.

Wrong, they are the product of artificial (selective) evolution, not a design.

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(Evolution is rife with hoaxes) Piltdown man, Nebraska man, Lucy, etc.

Its clear you don't understand evolution or science. I bet you believe the moon landing was fake too.

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Evolution is a racists philosophy.

Incorrect. Evolution is about the strongest/best surviving, no matter the race/breed/species.

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false science is thinking a reptile can grow wings and fly.

Better tell those birds to stop flapping their wings!

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If you stick your head in the sand and keep repeating the same garbage you learned in high school you will never learn anything.

BBail, its clear you've had your head in the bible and keep repeating the same garbage you learned in sunday school, you haven't learned anything.

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you sound like an intelligent person but to say look at the fossil record at any museum is like saying you trust the liberal media.

If you have data/fossils that prove their ideas otherwise, please bring it out! Fossils are not "God's test of faith".

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what you are saying is every species evolved at the same geographical location and of two genders and at the same time?

Not at all. I'm saying we all came from a common ancestor. There need not be a male and female, there are countless species of plants, animals, incects and bacteria that reproduce asexually.

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Cinderella is hardly comparable to the Bible.

They are both fairytales an just as believable as the other.

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do you know the odds of even 10 of the "coincidences" about Jesus' life and death.

Do you know how much thought some people put into writing a novel?

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I seem to recall billions to one, but there were some 300 prophecies in the Old Testament that came true in the life and death of Jesus Christ. that ain't no coincidence.

Its just a well written story.

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SO if you can state for me ONE FACT about evolution that is true,

We exist.

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have a book of 990 pages I will give you that refutes EVERY SHRED OF EVIDENCE about evolution there ever was.

Thats it? Only 990 pages? Go to a university library and scope out the shelves of books in the science section.

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just tell me how the universe began.

Thats impossible. The best ANYONE can do is make an educated guess. Although most guesses lately seem to be far from educated (ID).

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big bang-not possible for nothing to explode

Yes, it actually is when there is a universe of energy compressed to the volume of a needle point.

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how did the first cell come into existance

Google it. There is lots of information on that subject.

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The geologic column only exists in textbooks, not consistant in the earth, some older layers are overtop younger ones.

Ever heard of tectonic plates? Yep, the surface is always moving and its very possible for old earth to get pushed over newer earth through natural forces (earthquakes, for example).

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Besides I know the guy who was there when it happened and he told us how he did it.

Oh, you mean your Jewish vampire zombie? Yeah, I "know" him too.

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Evolution is not a theory. It is a fact. The Theory of Evolution attempts to tell how it worked.

Said perfectly.

Ara T. · #78 09-11-2008, 03:36 AM

Evolution is a racist philosophy? LOL! There is only one race, the human race. The rest is constructed by society.

There was a crapload of people masquerading as scientists in the early 18th century and thought they could define a person's intelligence by the shape of their nose, their skull, their skin color, etc if that's what you're talking about.

RichC · #79 09-11-2008, 06:24 AM

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God can exist and not exist at the same time.

God can have ultimate influence over everything, all of the time,
and no influence on anything, ever.

That is the definition of God.

So there is no reason to argue.

Everyone here is correct in their thinking,
no matter how they think.

Just go have some fun !
RichC

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#80 09-11-2008, 07:24 AM

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That is the definition of God.

That is a lame story made to cover for the fact nobody has ever seen him/her/it since he/she/it is an imaginary figure.

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So there is no reason to argue.

There is plenty reason to argue, nobody should have to "accept" a sad excuse for someones inability to understand (or resistance against) reality.

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Everyone here is correct in their thinking, no matter how they think.

Guess what, you are incorrect. That is like the "Nobody is a loser, everyone gets a trophy!" competitions or getting gold at the "Special" Olympics. There are lots of losers and few winners, bible thumpers certainly aren't part of the "winning" category by any means.

RichC · #81 09-11-2008, 08:26 AM

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Your right

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bbail2x2 · #82 09-11-2008, 08:43 AM

F.I.
my MB exists! did no one make it????? get a clue.

yet you produce NO EVIDENCE. lets hear it. everything you may present as evidence has been told to you and is a LIE. you have not read or researched this at all. you just took the bait and hook, line and sinker.
your trite answers area typical of evolutionists and don't answer the questions.

if your MB needed a timing chain (broken) and there was a parts house doen the street, a service shop across town with allt he tools and you let it sit a million years thru earthquakes, floods and hurricanes would it get fixed and start itself and run great. thats the comparison with human life. dirt didn't organize itself into amino acids to form the DNA chain. the bib bang had everythiing going out. nothing would therefore compress back together to form planets.

no I never attended much sunday school. they teach Noah's ark was a round bottom rowboat with a giraff head out the top.

here isthe bottom line. its not evolution that people want. what people don't want is God.

(atheism, materialism, evolution) its not an intellictual decision, its a moral one. your morals decide for you what you want to accept as to the three great questions:
where did we come from?
where are we going?
why are we here?
Isaac Newton was a creationist, so were Kepler, Boyle, Paschal, Maxwell, Faraday, Pasteur, Galileo. theres science. Even Steven Hawking admits there has to be a higher power.

bbail2x2 · #83 09-11-2008, 08:49 AM

Ara T.
actually the Bible doesn't mention race at all. your right about one race. and no I'm not talking abut some weird science that tries to define intelligence by hair color or noses.

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Evolution is a racist philosophy? LOL! There is only one race, the human race. The rest is constructed by society.

There was a crapload of people masquerading as scientists in the early 18th century and thought they could define a person's intelligence by the shape of their nose, their skull, their skin color, etc if that's what you're talking about.

Isaac Newton was a creationist, so were Kepler, Boyle, Paschal, Maxwell, Faraday, Pasteur, Galileo. there's science. Even Steven Hawking admits there has to be a higher power.

Hitler, Mussilini, Stalin were all racists.

bbail2x2 · #84 09-11-2008, 08:57 AM

Matt L

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You're assuming that the 250K offer is genuine. In fact, it is ingenuous as it will never be awarded no matter what evidence is given. Who is to be the judge (especially with Ham in jail)?

And while you have forgotten (or never knew) what science is about, note that we aren't trying to prove that the Theory of Evolution is true. Truth is not nearly as important as predictive qualities. If the Theory does indeed make predictions that can be falsified (yet are not), it is useful.

Evolution is not a theory. It is a fact. The Theory of Evolution attempts to tell how it worked.

and its not Ham thats in jail its Dr. Kent Hovind. (get a clue?) thats what happens when you fight with the IRS. and yes the offer has stood for a long time with no takers. if you are sure of your evidence try it out. You and F.I. can get together and show them what you have and walk away with $250 big ones. I may not be the smartest guy about creationism but you will be had with someone who does know. you won't stand a chance trying to prove a lie to a real scientist.

#85 09-11-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bbail2x2

F.I.
my MB exists! did no one make it????? get a clue.

Get a clue yourself, your car is not a living creature.

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yet you produce NO EVIDENCE. lets hear it.

I already did, the existence of an extremely large variety of plant/animals/insects that came from a common ancestor.

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everything you may present as evidence has been told to you and is a LIE.

Thats very hard to believe considering you believe in fairytales.

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if your MB needed a timing chain (broken) and there was a parts house doen the street, a service shop across town with allt he tools and you let it sit a million years thru earthquakes, floods and hurricanes would it get fixed and start itself and run great.

Once again, a great demonstration of your lack of understanding of science. Once more, a car is not a living thing. Its kind of silly really, something actually has to be alive to evolve. Imagine that.

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thats the comparison with human life. dirt didn't organize itself into amino acids to form the DNA chain.

Actually, it did.

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here isthe bottom line. its not evolution that people want. what people don't want is God.

We don't need "god" since the Judeo-Christian "god" is no more real than any of the other thousands of deities humans have dreamt up throughout history. We want to know the truth, giving up and saying "god did it" is not an answer.

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(atheism, materialism, evolution) its not an intellectual decision, its a moral one.

incorrect again. Let me guess, one MUST be a Christian to be moral? Have you actually read the bible and all the atrocities it contains? Why would I want to worship "God" that willfully unleashed 10 plagues on his own creation? How "moral" is murdering the first born child of every family in Egypt?

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Isaac Newton was a creationist, so were Kepler, Boyle, Paschal, Maxwell, Faraday, Pasteur, Galileo. theres science. Even Steven Hawking admits there has to be a higher power.

I'm sorry, but its Stephen Hawking. Nutjobs can be smart too. If you learn a little something (anything) about science, you could be too.

You keep saying "get a clue" yet you haven't one yourself.

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you won't stand a chance trying to prove a lie to a real scientist

Sorry, but creationism and science don't work together.

aklim · #86 09-11-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bbail2x2

where did we come from? where are we going? why are we here?

Isaac Newton was a creationist, so were Kepler, Boyle, Paschal, Maxwell, Faraday, Pasteur, Galileo. theres science. Even Steven Hawking admits there has to be a higher power.

Dunno. Does it matter? Do we need an answer so badly that any one will do?

So what? None of them have proved it yet. Just because they accept it doesn't make it true. Intelligent people a few hundred years ago also accepted the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. However, since they have been proven false, we don't bother with it anymore.

aklim · #87 09-11-2008, 09:12 AM

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and its not Ham thats in jail its Dr. Kent Hovind. (get a clue?) thats what happens when you fight with the IRS. and yes the offer has stood for a long time with no takers. if you are sure of your evidence try it out. You and F.I. can get together and show them what you have and walk away with $250 big ones. I may not be the smartest guy about creationism but you will be had with someone who does know. you won't stand a chance trying to prove a lie to a real scientist.

Dr Kent Hovind is in jail for 10 yrs for a bunch offenses. His "Doctorate" is flakey at best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

Education

In 1971 he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois. From 1972 until 1974, Hovind attended the non-accredited Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education (B.R.E.).[6] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind was awarded a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the non-accredited Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado (now Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado which no longer offers this program).[11]
Front view of the Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado taken on November 22, 2006.
Front view of the Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado taken on November 22, 2006.

Having a website called "Dr. Dino," has provoked some academics to closely look at how Hovind presents his education and credentials.[12] Chemistry professor Karen Bartelt has said that it is "very unusual for a person with a Ph.D., even a real one," [emphasis in original] to list oneself in the phonebook as "Dr Hovind", as Hovind has done.[12] Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the Creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of academic training makes it impossible to engage him on a professional level.[13] Other critics of Hovind have charged that Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, as it has unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme.[9] The school's current policies allow students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.[14]

Bartelt has stated Hovind's doctoral dissertation is evidence of the poor requirements at Patriot and that Hovind lacks knowledge of basic science.[12] Bartelt noted that Hovind's dissertaton is incomplete (contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, poor writing, poor spelling, poor grammatical style, pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not original work with original ideas.[12][15] In the past when questioned about his education and qualifications, Hovind has said his critics use ad hominem arguments.[11] Patriot Bible University has issued similar comments.[16]

Patriot will not send copies of Hovind's doctoral dissertation except with his permission.[12] As a general rule, doctoral dissertations are published by the associated university and made available to the public, so that other students conducting research in similar areas may use the information in the dissertation as a reference.[12] Although one copy of the dissertation is on file at the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) the organization is not able to provide it on request because of copyright and distribution restrictions.[12]

Even at face value, he isn't a scientist of any sort.

#88 09-11-2008, 09:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ZZUGVxcTQ

raymr · #89 09-11-2008, 11:12 AM

I realize that I've been misinformed about a few aspects of the Theory of Evolution. It only goes to show that people can often read or hear propaganda over time, and interpret it as fact.

So what does anyone make of the term 'irreducible complexity'? Here is some interesting reading (IMO) with pros and cons.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhmag.html

pj67coll · #90 09-11-2008, 12:12 PM

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I think I got a handle on real science.

I think you are badly misinformed.

FYI. Piltdown man was a fake. But it was science that identified it as such.
Nebraska man was never regarded as anything to do with human origins by most of the scientfic community. And Lucy is not a fake.

Your capacity for infinite credulity is staggering.

- Peter.