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Old 09-15-2008, 12:14 PM
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But, today, an individual wakes up and decides that they're tired of the current relationship and need to move onward. It's a bit irresponsible when kids are involved..........unless abuse is present.........but, that's the state of affairs today.
That seems almost exactly like my defunct marriage. I think my ex-wife was depressed (job loss, son had gone through couple surgeries, financial stress) and since she is superficial (and definitely a child of the new generations way of thinking- Spend spend spend, instant gratification) thought that getting out of the relationship would make her happy.

So she did. She isn't any happier now and now our son has to grow up with divorced parents.

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Old 09-15-2008, 12:17 PM
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My ex and I have seperated in March of 2007. We officially filed and were officially divorced in March of 2008. We spent somewhere in total between both of us together $2000-2500.

We went to a mediator to do all the legwork and then just payed a lawyer to file it.

So it can be done cheap and easily (too easily, but that is the way it works).
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:23 PM
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Family friend is a divorce attorney. He makes something like 40% on cases...
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:24 PM
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There are now people living in the same house because they can't afford the expenses of a divorce and separate dwellings. I think I've heard it called the "Stay at home divorce." Somepeople have mortgages for more than their house is worth and can't afford to get out of them.
My ex and I lived together for 5 months after we called it quits because we had just bought a house at the height of the market and couldn't sell it for what we paid.

It was nice because I got to see my son everyday instead of half the time like now. But it was a constant headache becuase I had to deal with her BS every day.

We (I guess I should say I, because I did all the negotiating and leg work while she did nothing even though the divorce was exclusively her doing) ended up getting a short sale of about 19k and 19k rolled into two new loans not tied to the property so we could sell it.

I took about 12k and she took 7k of the loans (won't go into the details as to why) and having a 12k loan that I will have payed off within a year's time is worth it than having to live with her anymore.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:25 PM
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So she did. She isn't any happier now and now our son has to grow up with divorced parents.
But would your son be better off living with 2 people who are unhappy or just one sometimes?
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:44 PM
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I do think that is going to be difficult to get the son from the mom. Somehow, I have the impression that the courts favor the mother over the father.
He did and they generally do. You'd be surprised at how tough it was even though his ex married an abusive a-hole that raped his own daughter in a supposedly cocaine-induced stupor. I've seen the records.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:55 PM
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Explain this, please.
Maybe that comes under the heading of "Personal injury," JD. I was wondering about that, too.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:56 PM
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But would your son be better off living with 2 people who are unhappy or just one sometimes?

I don't know the answer to that.

All I know is my exwife started lying to me and cheating on me (rationalizing it by saying that she was unhappy) and wasn't going to change her ways so I wasn't able to make a conscious choice as to what would be better for my son.

She made the choice, not me and she will have to deal with that at some point down the road when my son gets old enough to start asking questions about why his mom and I are no longer together. (My son is 2.5 right now)
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Maybe that comes under the heading of "Personal injury," JD. I was wondering about that, too.
Yeah its bs, I just wanted to hear the explanation.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:13 PM
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Explain this, please.
x2.
Inquiring minds want to know.
".......of what?"?

...of marital assets/community property? Can't see that.
...of the Child support???
...of the Alimony.???

I know a local CPA who's spent most of his career doing divorce and other forensic accounting work (business valuations mostly). Old before his time. That kinda crap beats you up.

I did some court ordered accounting work for a divorce yeeearrs ago. The judge had to determine, among other things, which party got the green leather couch.
I avoid this work like the plague..

My observations over the years have brought me to the belief that there are two life events when the veneer of people is pulled back and you can glimpse into their souls. Divorce and death. When spouses or heirs fight over property.
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x2.
Inquiring minds want to know.
".......of what?"?
I didn't really want to know--its just spontaneous internet conversation. Prohibited by the Code of Ethics.

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I know a local CPA who's spent most of his career doing divorce and other forensic accounting work (business valuations mostly).
My former law partner is a CPA too and got all of his cont. ed hours for a couple of years by going to (Phoenix?) to become a CBVE(?). He has never used the title. They are really worthless in my experience unless the parties agree on one or the judge appoints one under the Rules. You never saw them much until "good will" was taken out of so many business valuations, and the old "it is worth what someone will pay for it" rule went out of the window.
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Explain this, please.

Its what I was told.


I think if it goes to court, and a judge orders a settlement, thats where he makes his 40%.
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Its what I was told.


I think if it goes to court, and a judge orders a settlement, thats where he makes his 40%.
Nope.

And Judges don't order settlements.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:34 PM
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Nope.

And Judges don't order settlements.
Dude, I know nothing about that stuff......




Its what I was told by him, and thats my story.




(Pretty much everyone in my extended family has not had a divorce, so I couldn't tell you how it work.... My parents have been married for like 25 years, and they are pretty cool with eachother.)
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:37 PM
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Ours ended after 22 years. Oldest boy 19 yrs old, youngest 15. My lawyer got $22k and her lawyer got $14k and it took about 1-1/2 years.

Extensive drug abuse issues involved with both boys (one of the reasons I got out - she stated she had rather see them do drugs at home instead of running up and down the road doing them and I do not feel this way - I don't want ANY illegal drug usage in my house). Anyway, over the past three weeks the youngest has gotten assigned to ISS (in school suspension) on two different occasions. First time for some stuff that was going on in the parking lot and the second time for being so high at school that he could not walk. Needless to say I just send the child support and don't have anything to do with any of them. I showed the court extensive proof of the drug use going on in the house after I had left and they allowed the minor child to stay with her because at 14 he can choose who he wants to live with. A guardian ad litem recommended to the court on two different occasions that I get custody of the minor child but the court went with the his choice to live with his mother. The court also gave the 14 year old the choice of whether he wants to spend time with me and he choses not too. I really don't see much future for him at this point because there are no repercussions for his drug usage. Even when she picked him up from school on the day he was high all she did was drop him off at the house where his older brother and his friends sit around and smoke pot all afternoon everyday. I put as much blame on the court as I do her for the current situation. She needs help as much as they do.

Years ago, when the oldest son was around 3 or 4 he came to me wanting to do something I did not want him to do. He would run to her crying and she would tell him "Daddy's being mean, you go do what you want to do" and that is how he was raised. Absolutely no discipline for any of their actions. Unfortunately, I should have gotten out a long time ago but did not because I felt I needed to stay there for the kids. It was the WRONG thing to do.

I am as happy now as I have been in a long time in addition to having more $$ than I ever had when I was in that mess.

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