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Idolotor · #1 10-01-2008, 01:40 PM

I guess if you're white, good grades aren't enough to get you in to these Arizona law schools...

Affirmative action backfired based on fairness against racism... figures.

Study: Minorities get better shot at law school

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Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services

A study by an organization opposed to affirmative action concludes that minorities are far more likely to be admitted to the state's two public law schools than similarly qualified whites.
The report by the Center for Economic Opportunity shows that the number of whites, Asians, Hispanics and blacks admitted to the law colleges at Arizona State University and the University of Arizona is pretty much in proportion to the number that apply.
But it also finds that both schools admit minorities with lower grade point averages and scores on the Law School Aptitude Test than whites.
At ASU, the median LSAT scores for blacks admitted in 2007 was 8.3 percent below whites; and a 6.7 percent difference exists between Hispanics and whites, according to the report. At UA, the median LSAT score for blacks admitted in 2007 was 15 percent below whites; and for Hispanics, the difference was 10 percent.
For grade point averages for the same incoming class, there was a 7.5 percent difference between the scores of whites versus blacks and Hispanics.
The result, according to Roger Clegg, the organization's president, is that everything else being equal, a black person with equal grade point average and LSAT scores is 250 times more likely to be admitted to the UA than a white. For Hispanics, he said, the ratio is 18 to 1.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/127090

Botnst · #2 10-01-2008, 01:43 PM

Especially if the applicant is clean and articulate and whose middle name is .... (guess what I was going to write)

AustinsCE · #3 10-01-2008, 01:47 PM

It's like the old people labor laws in California. You can't turn someone down for being too old, but you can for them being too young. It's posted in the break room, they even use the words "reverse discrimination". It's pathetic, the whole country is a bunch of sissies and jackasses. One more reason........ not to go to college. Protest the f***ers!

Mistress · #4 10-01-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinsCE

It's like the old people labor laws in California. You can't turn someone down for being too old, but you can for them being too young. It's posted in the break room, they even use the words "reverse discrimination". It's pathetic, the whole country is a bunch of sissies and jackasses. One more reason........ not to go to college. Protest the f***ers!

Isn't f***ers spelled ph***ers?

Botnst · #5 10-01-2008, 02:06 PM

No, that's *** after ** except after *.

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AustinsCE · #6 10-01-2008, 02:18 PM

Garsh, a hyuk..

pj67coll · #7 10-01-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Idolotor

The result, according to Roger Clegg, the organization's president, is that everything else being equal, a black person with equal grade point average and LSAT scores is 250 times more likely to be admitted to the UA than a white. For Hispanics, he said, the ratio

Is this really news? Affirmative action is automatically race based. And thus automatically discriminatory.

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BENZ-LGB · #8 10-01-2008, 02:19 PM

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Especially if the applicant is clean and articulate and whose middle name is .... (guess what I was going to write)

Did Joe Biden really say that about his Boss, Barack Hussein Obama?

Incidentally, the use of quotas to give minorities a break has a far more pernicious effect (at least from my perspective).

I was admitted to several top notch law schools. I was admitted to those schools on the strentgh of my LSAT's, my college grades and the depth and quality of my extra-curricular activities.

Yet, I have always had to fight the attitude that I got in because my status as a Hispanic.

It is a never ending battle. No matter what my achievements might be, there is always that yahoo that likes to believe that my name (not Hussein) got me admitted to law school.

Idolotor · #9 10-01-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Did Joe Biden really say that about his Boss, Barack Hussein Obama?

Incidentally, the use of quotas to give minorities a break has a far more pernicious effect (at least from my perspective).

I was admitted to several top notch law schools. I was admitted to those schools on the strentgh of my LSAT's, my college grades and the depth and quality of my extra-curricular activities.

Yet, I have always had to fight the attitude that I got in because my status as a Hispanic.

It is a never ending battle. No matter what my achievements might be, there is always that yahoo that likes to believe that my name (not Hussein) got me admitted to law school.

Maybe in your case...

But the idea that people are being admitted just on race is a fact. White isn't the right color as far as Affirmative Action is concerned.

Just the term, "affirmative action" is an oxymoron!

aklim · #10 10-01-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinsCE

One more reason........ not to go to college. Protest the f***ers!

Great idea. Cut the nose to spite the face.

Hatterasguy · #11 10-01-2008, 02:38 PM

They may get in, but they don't graduate. The number of minorities that are admited to my school is quite high, but the number that actualy stay 4 years and get a degree is really low.

While it may get you in, if you don't belong you won't stay.

AdvisorGuy · #12 10-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Not like a C-Average white guy ever got into Harvard because of who he was...

aklim · #13 10-01-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Incidentally, the use of quotas to give minorities a break has a far more pernicious effect (at least from my perspective).

I was admitted to several top notch law schools. I was admitted to those schools on the strentgh of my LSAT's, my college grades and the depth and quality of my extra-curricular activities.

No matter what my achievements might be, there is always that yahoo that likes to believe that my name (not Hussein) got me admitted to law school.

Mine too.

But with AA present, all we have is your good word. Therein lies the problem. Most everybody I know will say they got what they got because of their abilities. I don't know anybody that will say that they got where they got because of some handicap. So how will you ever know that race didn't play some small role? I can never be sure that I was hired because of my abilities and not the color of my skin.

The worst part of it is that you cannot prove that you didn't and even if you could, you would still be lumped up with those that did. That is why I believe AA should be scrapped ASAP.

BENZ-LGB · #14 10-01-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Idolotor

Maybe in your case...

But the idea that people are being admitted just on race is a fact. White isn't the right color as far as Affirmative Action is concerned.

Just the term, "affirmative action" is an oxymoron!

I personally know many "minorities" whose grades and test scores were high enough to get into school w/o the assistance of affirmative action.

I think that there should be some sort of affirmative action to help disadvantaged kids, regardless of race, get into college. There are a lot of disadvantaged white kids who could use the help.

BENZ-LGB · #15 10-01-2008, 03:09 PM

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So how will you ever know that race didn't play some small role? I can never be sure that I was hired because of my abilities and not the color of my skin.

In my case job performance is all the proof I (or my bosses) need.

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The worst part of it is that you cannot prove that you didn't and even if you could, you would still be lumped up with those that did. That is why I believe AA should be scrapped ASAP.

I know. Fortunately, in my position performance can be quantified.