Affirmative Action discriminates. Using race, not grades, for law schools. - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Emmerich · #31 10-01-2008, 04:19 PM

For what reason? By definition you gave them something they did not deserve, relative to someone who did deserve it, so in theory they should be happy because of the "gift". It would be like someone getting a job because of a relative, how many people really would feel bad because they came in the door on family heels? All of the ones I know were grateful for the "opportunity", they then had to earn their keep.

But an interesting aspect of what you suggest is the fact that affirmative action is causing (or making worse) a situation that it was created to remedy. In theory AA is there to help minorities and the goal is to eliminate racism. But whenever one group is given preferential treatment over another, it INCREASES resentment, and therefore, creates more discrimination.

This of course applies between any groups, not just race based, but AA is the only race based program so it rears its ugly head more than ever.

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Since we're dippingi into academic waters . . . where are the facts about whether the beneficiaries of "affirmative action" suffer the hardship of lower self esteem or stigmatization as a result. After you factor in the understanding that these minority groups already have sensitization to self esteem and stigmatization by society . . . shouldn't there be some research on this?

Idolotor · #32 10-01-2008, 04:24 PM

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Not necessarily, it also says to minorities, including women, that "the system" is attempting to adjust for years of social and educational inequality in a hope to bring diversity to a profession.

Two wrongs DON'T make a right! Affirmative Action is almost a case of "revenge" discrimination. Since minorities were discriminated against in the past, now it's OK to discriminate against white people now?

If it was wrong then (and it was). Isn't discrimination still wrong now? (the answer is still YES!)

aklim · #33 10-01-2008, 04:30 PM

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If it was wrong then (and it was). Isn't discrimination still wrong now? (the answer is still YES!)

Apparently not if it passes PC muster.

BENZ-LGB · #34 10-01-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Since we're dippingi into academic waters . . . where are the facts about whether the beneficiaries of "affirmative action" suffer the hardship of lower self esteem or stigmatization as a result. After you factor in the understanding that these minority groups already have sensitization to self esteem and stigmatization by society . . . shouldn't there be some research on this?

BTW, it seems that caucasian women were the biggest group benefiting from "affirmative action."

That is a load of crap.

The concept that people of "color" feel stigmatized and somehow inferior and that we need help from the Big White Father is in itself racist.

Hell, the white man has not been born yet who is better than me.

I don't need AA to get ahead in the world.

Don't need it.

Don't want it.

My children never set foot in public schools from K - 12.

They have been the beneficiaries of some of the finest schooling available.

They also do not need the Big White Father to toss them a bone in the form of AA.

The whole concept of AA was created by white folks, suffering from white guilt, who think that minorities are too stupid, too indolent, too backwards to make it without handouts.

PUKE on AA.

BENZ-LGB · #35 10-01-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Idolotor

Two wrongs DON'T make a right! Affirmative Action is almost a case of "revenge" discrimination. Since minorities were discriminated against in the past, now it's OK to discriminate against white people now?

If it was wrong then (and it was). Isn't discrimination still wrong now? (the answer is still YES!)

I agree with you for different reasons.

I don't need the Big White Father to give me a handout.

And I pity the poor white bastard who comes up to me and tells me that I need his help to "make it" because I am a numerical minority.

aklim · #36 10-01-2008, 04:55 PM

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Hell, the white man has not been born yet who is better than me.

While you may be good, I don't think anybody is that good that they can make that statement. There is always somebody better at some point or other.

BENZ-LGB · #37 10-01-2008, 05:56 PM

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While you may be good, I don't think anybody is that good that they can make that statement. There is always somebody better at some point or other.

Prove me wrong then.

The point of the statement, even if there is a bit of hyperbole and hubris contained in it, is that as a Hsipanic I do not need the Big White Father to legitimize me or to toss me a few bones.

I can do quite well (and have done quite well) w/o AA.

mwood · #38 10-01-2008, 06:12 PM

A little OT, but if Obama gets elected does the euqal rights movement die?

MTI · #39 10-01-2008, 07:00 PM

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A little OT, but if Obama gets elected does the euqal rights movement die?

Are you assuming that all things will be euqal?

Kuan · #40 10-01-2008, 09:14 PM

Try being Asian. You get screwed either way. I don't wanna hear it from either side.

Botnst · #41 10-01-2008, 09:22 PM

I think there is still a need for affirmative action laws. I think they should be invoked sparingly. I think they should eventually be phased-out. But yeah, there's still a need to go after plenty of *********s.

Yes, I agree they are anti-democratic. I understand that they are onerous and demeaning. But still....

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aklim · #42 10-01-2008, 09:25 PM

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Try being Asian. You get screwed either way. I don't wanna hear it from either side.

I don't have to try being Asian. I am asian.

Botnst · #43 10-01-2008, 10:08 PM

I tried being asian. I got tired of doing all the math and not understanding NASCAR.

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Hatterasguy · #44 10-01-2008, 10:14 PM

I tried being Asian, but I don't like the food.

732002 · #45 10-01-2008, 10:40 PM

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Especially if the applicant is clean and articulate and whose middle name is .... (guess what I was going to write)

McCain is a Annapolis legacy student.

Without his dad and grandfather he would likely not have
been accepted. His class ranking was 5th from the bottom
and he got to fly jet fighters.

Affirmative action and legacy admissions both discriminate.