Me neither

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Refresh my memory. Assuming that was true, the choice didn't serve him very well, did it? Neither did the wait staff at the Hanoi Hilton, IIRC.

Yes they do. Doesn't make either a good thing

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Somebody has to be 5th from bottom. Reckon they're all legacies, too?

Also, even if you're a legacy, in the service academies you still have to pass the entrance exams. The legacy thing gets you a leg-up afterward.

Finally, do you think his dad's having been a legacy is why he was an outstanding naval officer? Or was it despite having been a legacy?

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You see it is our fault(white man)we took people away from their homeland,out of their culture,and brought them here to be used as slaves to do the work we were too lazy to do ourselves. I s it any wonder a people treated like this (referreing to blacks) would be pissed! Even thuogh this happened a long time ago,the scars remain, the biggest pussys are the cynical white men who think that by using force,or the threat of it, make them "better" than someone of another race. All men are not created equal, if you ever were to find yourself in an NBA shower room,you would see for yourself. You are where you are by the hard work you put in to acheive your goals, why not appreciate that and stop crying because someone who does not share your pigment ation finally got a break. This is beating a dead horse ,worry about yourself, and stay out of thier business,it is less stressful.

Affirmative Action By Any Other Name?

Harvard accepts 40% of applicants who are children of alumni but only 11% of applicants generally. And this kind of affirmative action makes the student body less diverse, not more so.

Of course we need to keep ANTI-discrimination laws. But these are completely different than AA laws which are DISCRIMINATION laws.

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It seems to me that's a distinction without a difference.

Legacy/Race is an advantage, why else have those questions
on admissions forms? Wrong: legacy gets you a leg-in at the start.

Sure Legacy/Minority students can be at the top of their class.

Pilot spots are competitive, top of the class/legacy gets first chance at
the flight spots. Everyone wants to fly jets, they are the rock stars
of the carriers.

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I believe that admission to service schools is dependent on passing an entrance exam, no matter who y'are. Could be wrong but I'd like proof of that, please.

Concerning navy pilots, I don't think they're especially impressed by anything other than themselves. Next is another navy pilot, none of whom are quite good enough. They have a harsh method of dealing with not measuring up. I don't think it involves playing who's yer daddy.

B

Affirmative action is an attempt to offer higher learning, higher level jobs, etc. that was previously denied to people because of their race. If the state disallowed your grandparents an education, and allowed only some inferior education to your parents, who is going to help you with your homework? Since your elders are uneducated, chances are they don't have great jobs either, so you might be doing that homework at your job. It is not unreasonable to expect that the past ruling class based on race has children that are no longer ruling class based on race but are reaping the benefits of the previous society. Those benefits include advantages in education that allow for greater achievement than those who do not have those advantages.

You feel whatever way you want about it, but let's not oversimplify to the point of uselessness.

Personally, I agree with what Botnst wrote. It should be rare, it should be phased out as it achieves its goal, but currently AA is necessary.







Just pass, or do they usually just take the top X%?

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The US Naval Academy admission process:

The Naval Academy requires candidates to take the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT-I) or the American College Test (ACT) prior to admission. For admission purposes, the academy will evaluate candidates based on the highest score in each individual category if you elect to take these tests multiple times. You should set up testing with your high school guidance office or register online at the above sites. You may prequalify to become a candidate (applicant) using your PSAT scores, however these will not be used as final admission criteria.

Official test results are required for admission. Non-standard tests are not accepted for admission. This includes untimed ACT or SAT tests. You should have your scores forwarded to the Naval Academy using the appropriate College Code Numbers.


There is a physical examination and interview process, but no separate entrance examination.

Another distinction without a difference. There's a threshold exam scvore. Doesn't matter who's your daddy.

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Ah, but there's the rub. How do you make it "rare"? It either has to be an all or nothing. If you make it on a case by case basis, you are going to have hell on earth. On paper, making it rare is simplicity. In practice, it is going to be the nightmare of nightmares.

But is there a defined goal? Currently there is no real tangible goal in terms of years or numbers achieved. You might as well peg it to world peace.

Only for the less able, it is. Again, if I play golf with Tiger Woods or Arnold Palmer, is there a handicap? Usually. Why is that so? Because they are the superior player. That is all the handicap says, any way you spin it. When you compete as equals, there is no need for a handicap. There will always be less abled in the world so how would it be phased out or removed?

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Not rare in the sense of not often used. Rare in the sense of only being a law applicable in few arenas.

At some point in society, we will recognize that it has accomplished its goal. Striking it down then will be a non-issue. Some small minority of people may try to hold onto it, but won't have enough political clout to stop it.

How did they become a superior player? They have talent, which is innate, and they had the opportunity to play and practice for lots of hours. AA doesn't attempt to equalize skill level. It attempts to equalize access to tools for success.

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What would those goals be? Currently they are either ambiguous or unattainable.

Doesn't matter how they became a superior player. Fact is they are. If the handicap favors me, they are a superior player. If there is no handicap, we are equals.

AA wasn't there for Japanese products when they were junk. Today, they have built themselves up to threaten US products. More to the point, they did it legitimately in a level field with no handicap. Unless you consider the anti-Japanese sentiment after WWII.

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