Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

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IEDs are more effective.

IUD's will beat scattershot almost every time.

Patriot act is the 1st step toward taking away all our privacy
like gun control is the start for taking all our guns away?

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Only if you're an evil terrorist.. are you??

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9/11 didn't directly impact my life either... So I guess, everyone should have just let that go, too. Of course, according to the ignorant majority, they did. The FBI doesn't see any connection with the boogey man whodunit. And let's see, "man-made global warming" doesn't affect me, or pollution in China, or their poisoned bottles, or childhood obesity. Yet for some reason, they still strike me as 'problems'. Weird huh? But according to the Federal Government, I am a terrorist since I talk about the Constitution, and I'm subject to extreme scrutiny should I decide to establish an "offshore corporation" that, despite being completely legal, qualifies for warrant-less investigation.

You don't seem to understand the mind of a true conservative.

If it doesn't impact you own behind than it doesn't matter. Health care for people who cannot afford it due to ongoing health issues doesn't matter. Social Security for those who won't have any other funds doesn't matter. The FBI looking into other people's underwear doesn't matter.

But, don't even think of taking away my submachine gun.......or raising my taxes.

Everything else doesn't matter.

Can I make it any more simple for you?

A true conservative doesn't expect other people to dip into his pockets, or his personal affairs, for their own inadequacy or shortcomings. You've probably never met one.
And just to be clear on the global warming, it's the movement that I perceive as a problem, not it's fabled existence.

It depends on what the government "considers" and evil terrorist, simple as that.

Remember what happened to innocent gun owners after hurricane katrina?

Is gun control part of the Patriot Act?

I agree that it could be construed in a way as to violate the 4th amendment, but so far it has been upheld.

[Amendment IV]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Most of the Patriot act deals with anti-money laundering and the denial of American banking to suspected or known terrorists. There are also provisions for such things as background checks for HAZMAT truck drivers. It also paves the way for agencies to share information and strengthens the ability for the Government to gather information on foreigners living in the USA.


When I worked in the financial industry Patriot Act was a big PITA as we had to get additional proof of identity of any person who tried to open an account with us. We also had to implement many new checks to make sure that the money being invested was not the result of a money laundering scheme.


I for one do not agree with anything that limits citizens and legal alien residents rights under the constitution. You are right that by challenging the 4th amendment, it makes it easier to challenge the 2nd and vice versa.

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I love how Liberals/Socialists/Communists/Marxists are so concerned about their fellow man that they compel by force of law their brethren to comply and conform to some impossibly mechanical system designed not so much as a solution as it is to ease their heavy heart.

There is no virtue in compulsory charity nor in oppressive beneficence.

That's another typical hypocritical characteristic of conservatives. Something like "I believe in charity and the word of Jesus, just don't make me do it!".

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I love how folks use Jesus to punctuate an ill conceived principle. Can you show me ANYWHERE that demonstrates Jesus would compel anyone to follow Him?

Jesus was about teaching correct principles and allowing men to govern themselves through free agency and let the consequences follow naturally.

I believe it was Satan who would compel men to comply and trap them with sophistry....

Whose methods will you follow? I believe in agency and accountability and gentle persuasion. That is a true charicterization of Jesus' methods.

I thought people go to hell if they don't accept Jesus. Is that what you call gentle persuasion? I do believe in the last few things that you mention, among other things.

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