Say, that boat you pilot around. What powers it? Diesel or gasoline?

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That is exactly what Perot wanted.

No, it is not easy, as evidenced by the presence of this discussion.

What powers your E300?

Ok, we're biased no doubt.

However what is the ratio of diesel passanger cars to gasoline cars in America? 1:100?

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Have you ever attended a budget meeting for a board or government entity, or sat in on an appropriation hearing? Just curious.

Fuzzy math?

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I don't follow. Brian wanted to leave diesel as it is and tax gasoline only. I'm just curious if he has anything more serious than a lawnmower that uses gasoline on a daily basis. FYI, both my Excursion and E300 are diesel and the Vette is gas. Either way, if they want to raise taxes, make it fair and raise it on both gas and diesel not just gas or diesel.

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06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

1.69, TW what are you complain about, it's still 2.45 here! I remember when it was .25 cents a gallon, now that's worth crying over I tell ya.

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I haven’t read this thread so this may have been commented on before, but the downturn in our economy has revealed the degree of negative influence speculation can have on a commodities. It seems our system of value has actually worked to a damaging end and served to injure our economy. It is a case where the "market" (wink wink) conspires to cripple.

No different in effect than the banks deciding to tighten credit enough so that the average person can’t even get a loan for a new car. What was the number, something like a 39% decline in car sales in October expressly due to inability to get credit? Again, small groups conspire to damage the country.

Talk about the fraud that is the “free market” and then demonstrate how 200 or so people who control 90+ percent of the wealth in our country don’t direct the market and the banks. There really is no free market. The free market is what we call the trough the consumer is tethered to.

Question: People complain about the problems we are just going thru. Yes, they are severe. Yes they are bad. No doubt about it. So, we have had what? Decades of a good run and when we hit a bump it is the end of the world? What about when we have had good times? Didn't hear anybody complaining about it then.

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99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

Decades? You might want to think about that one, if the fog isn’t too dense. The most recent recession started in 2000 and didn’t end until about 2003 or 2004, depending on who’s opinion you want to clutch on to. Is a system that can barely go 3-4 years without suffering a crippling blow a sound system? The only reason you didn’t hear complaining is because you were too incoherent to notice it.

It's not personal. I'd gladly pay the tax on gas for the 740iL, provided the tax was used against the debt.

Diesel should not be taxed..........it's what makes the country roll. Gas should be taxed..........all it does is make the DB's roll.

Yes and yes.

The Congress - and any other entity - will always irresponsibly spend other people's money.

Silly idea. Fuel taxes exist primarily to pay for hiways. Tractor trailers account for about 75% of the damage to those hiways. Any vehicle which uses fuel should pay fuel taxes

We have had 17 recessions throughout the history of the country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions. I added up all the years and got about 79 years. So, how do you figure there is much fog? You ever run a business where there are no bumps in the road? IOW, just go to cash the checks and have a party? Some years are good, some, not so good. Country is 232 years old.

Note that before detailed economic statistics began to be gathered in the nineteenth century, it was difficult to tell when recessions occurred.[5] In spite of this, it is possible to estimate when economic recessions began because they were typically caused by external actions on the economic system such as wars and variations in the weather

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow