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mgburg · #16 12-28-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

... Let's say you own a nice junk of land, acreage, all you see is horizon. Some day people settle along the lines of what is your land, your property. For one reason or another, it seems that you can't get along with your 'new' neighbors. Trouble. ... Next you realize, that those 'new' neighbors are somehow settling beyond the lines of what is theirs, on your acreage. ... Years of enduring dispute. The new neighbors now claiming to entitled to what was once your undisputed property, come moving closer to your home, seizing parcel after parcel, section after section of your land. ... Eventually, those nice peace loving neighbors, even construct a wall around you and the small remainder of what was once your undisputed land.
You can't see the horizon anymore, all you know is, you are besieged, nothing comes through to you and you can't get out anymore to what was once your unrestrained property. ... Also, you know, there is nothing you can debate with those "new neighbors". Regardless, just Nothing. ... How would you feel? Would you fire a rocket, if you had one, besides having nothing else to loose?

Seems we've left a little out of this "story" that needs to be factored in...

In 1948, Israel was FORMED by the UN and given the land...how the land was acquired and handed over was the basis for the first of many "wars" between the Palestinians and Israel.

Now, over the years (I wasn't around 'til '57, so I can't say with any sort of accuracy what happened before that...) the Palestinians were egged-on by their neighbors to "fight" the Israelis...then some of the neighbors thought it wouldn't hurt to actually help the Palestinians...and they got their @5535 whipped...and they ended up losing land themselves...

Now, with a few exceptions, most of the land has been given back, but still the neighbors egg-on the Palestinians to go after the Zionists Pigs...instead of helping the Palestinians out themselves...

Regardless whether the Israelis are sitting on land that was lost by invading neighbors, or the land was ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED AS ISRAEL'S BACK IN THE 40s, the neighbors of the Palestinians, as well as every hair-ball nut-sack, whack-job mullah-knob group out there will continue to blame Israel AND won't rest 'til the UN-mandated country of Israel ceases to exist...

Well, may Israel outlast those b@5-retards and anyone that thinks the logic of appeasement is the best for everyone involved...

Appeasing a group of madmen is nothing short of madness itself...the only one appeased is the dead...and to be blunt...they don't really care one way or another...

mgburg · #17 12-28-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

Just another shift of blame, away from yourself.

Who cares who's to blame...quit throwing rockets and bombs over the wall and maybe they'll let them through...

And here's a novel thought. Maybe if the Palestinians behave themselves, the Israelis MIGHT EVEN take the walls down...

Anyone want in on that actions???

LUVMBDiesels · #18 12-28-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

What's interesting to note is that for all the problems that the "palestinian people" have had to endure "because of the Israelis..." that we don't see any sign of help for the palestinians from the Arab World itself...

No infrastructure plans, either new or for rebuilding...
No building programs, either new or rebuilding...
No grants to help their fellow Arabs...

Just business as usual...Arab bankers making loans to dirt farmers and such, and expecting payment back...nothing about donating towards infrastructures, nothing towards toning down the Israeli-hate retoric and such...just pouring gas on the flames...both economically and spiritually...but NOBODY WANTS TO POINT THAT HUMANISTIC FLAW OUT...DO THEY???

If Israel wants to close its borders to Hamas-led people...it has every right...I wouldn't want sworn killers in my neighborhood...keep your spawn on the other side of the wall, if that's what it takes to keep you out...

But, when you lob rockets over the wall and at my side of the fence/wall, and I'm abiding by legalistic pieces of paper...you can d**n well bet that the second the paper's time-line for a cease-fire expires, there's a can of WOOPASS flying overhead and it ain't your mother's can...

I find it interesting that NO ONE WAS REPORTING THE HAMAS-ROCKETS FLYING INTO ISRAEL, but the minute Israel starts to retaliate AFTER the expiration of the cease-fire...

Who's dragging the ignorant around by the noses? Nobody saw this coming? Look how gullible the world's press-corp is...what a bunch of do-nothing yaking-chicken-brained idiots...

Too bad for Hamas...but I can bet that the civilians also knew the phrase, "When you lie with pigs..."

BTW, the Israeli Armed Forces should FIRST take out any communications outlets that the Hamas have...including their little mobile-cam...find the 4-wheeler and turn it into scrap...and if there's any moron that thinks he's bullet-proof 'cause he has a camera and foreign passport, the Israelis should consider him as expendable as the Hamas garbage that's he's/she's reporting about...if you're in a war zone, no body (and I mean BODY) is immune...

You forget that Saddam WAS giving $50,000 to the survivors of homicide bombers. I believe that the Saudis are doing that now.

A good quote is this one.
"The offensive began eight days after a six-month truce between Israel and the militants expired. The Israeli army says Palestinian militants have fired some 300 rockets and mortars at Israeli targets over the past week, and 10 times that number over the past year."

The truce expired and Hamas --which never really stopped their rocket attacks -- fired over 300 rockets in 8 days. If the Israelis took that and did nothing, they would have lost all credibility.

As far as the poor Palestinians and their plight goes, there are plenty of Arabs living inside Israel and enjoying the rights of citizens. In fact I believe that the Arab party has numerous seats in the Knesset and that an Arab is the mayor of Jerusalem (I could be wrong on this). If a Palestinian wanted to integrate into Israeli society they could do so. By electing Hamas in Gaza and splitting the Palestinian government between Fatah and Hamas the Palestinians did themselves a big mis-favor. Hamas has never given up their dream of killing all the Jews and pushing Israel into the sea. I think that the Israelis have shown restraint in dealing with them ove the past 18 months. Every time they open the border some @sshole crosses and blows up a taco stand or a school bus. Then the Israelis close the border and what does the world say? Never "oh those poor Israeli children killed on that school bus" but "Those dirty Israelis are keeping baby milk away from Palestinian children"

Here is a very telling quote, "Militants often operate against Israel from civilian areas. Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons."

I would love to see Hamas calling the Israeli school they are going to rocket bomb and telling the children to get out before they light of their terror weapons...

I think that Israel should get as tough as they need to be to eliminate the rocket sites and to disarm/remove Hamas. They should make it clear that they are only going after the terrorists an d not the people in Gaza. Only after Hamas is gone should they open the border again and allow the people of Gaza to integrate back into society.

LaRondo · #19 12-28-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Seems we've left a little out of this "story" that needs to be factored in...

In 1948, Israel was FORMED by the UN and given the land...how the land was acquired and handed over was the basis for the first of many "wars" between the Palestinians and Israel.

Now, over the years (I wasn't around 'til '57, so I can't say with any sort of accuracy what happened before that...) the Palestinians were egged-on by their neighbors to "fight" the Israelis...then some of the neighbors thought it wouldn't hurt to actually help the Palestinians...and they got their @5535 whipped...and they ended up losing land themselves...

Now, with a few exceptions, most of the land has been given back, but still the neighbors egg-on the Palestinians to go after the Zionists Pigs...instead of helping the Palestinians out themselves...

Regardless whether the Israelis are sitting on land that was lost by invading neighbors, or the land was ORIGINALLY DESIGNATED AS ISRAEL'S BACK IN THE 40s, the neighbors of the Palestinians, as well as every hair-ball nut-sack, whack-job mullah-knob group out there will continue to blame Israel AND won't rest 'til the UN-mandated country of Israel ceases to exist...

Well, may Israel outlast those b@5-retards and anyone that thinks the logic of appeasement is the best for everyone involved...

Appeasing a group of madmen is nothing short of madness itself...the only one appeased is the dead...and to be blunt...they don't really care one way or another...

I forgot to mention, most any half-sophisticated computer sofware is capbale of recognizing its own program ... nowadays.

LaRondo · #20 12-28-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Who cares who's to blame...quit throwing rockets and bombs over the wall and maybe they'll let them through...

And here's a novel thought. Maybe if the Palestinians behave themselves, the Israelis MIGHT EVEN take the walls down...

Anyone want in on that actions???

Careless goes along fine with spineless.

I like the proposal: "Might Even"

LaRondo · #21 12-28-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Ahh hell I do admit thats pretty good but I think they can do better.

I like the way you pat yourself on the back. I've been trying that. How'd you that, Howie. Is there a trick to it?

Botnst · #22 12-28-2008, 04:20 PM

It's everybody else's fault, especially Bush.

LaRondo · #23 12-28-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

If the Israelis took that and did nothing, they would have lost all credibility.

What kind of credibility exactly is it, you are talking about?

mgburg · #24 12-28-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

I forgot to mention, most any half-sophisticated computer sofware is capbale of recognizing its own program ... nowadays.

What's this H-SCS you're talking about?

As I stated earlier, I don't need the left-, right-, mid- or behind-the-back thinkers to speak for me...

I've read and understand what's being said, printed and shown out there...

Israel is staying...

Hamas is dragging everyone/everything to a suicidal end...

The Arab world is waiting to see which flavor of cockroach is going to move in and sacrifice itself to keep up the fight against the Israelis...

Russia and China will continue to arm the cockroaches so long as the oil still flows their direction to help offset the costs of the arms themselves...

What's so hard to understand?

It's a business...but piss off the businessmen themselves, then watch the gloves come off...

LUVMBDiesels · #25 12-28-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

What kind of credibility exactly is it, you are talking about?

Credibility in negotiating with these people. If Israel appears weak, the Palestinians will continue their attacks and not come to the table again.

BTW, what do YOU want out of this? Do you want Israel to give back all the and they 'STOLE' from the Palestinians? Even the original 1948 mandate? How about all the Jews meekly go to slaughterhouses and have themselves killed off. I bet that would end all the strife in the ME now wouldn't it...

It seems as if you keep saying that everybody who sides with the Israelis defending themselves against these attacks is being 'programmed' Anybody who sides with Hamas is seeing the truth?

What are you driving at here?

cudaspaz · #26 12-28-2008, 08:37 PM

What would "you" do if you were Israel Larondo?

They gave them the gaza strip a short while ago in an effort to appease the Palestinians as a gesture of good will and peace, and the ungrateful bastards kept sending rockets into Israel as a gesture of thanks with a big middle finger attached.

So what would you do?

Say you built a big fence around your yard to keep the gangsters out of your yard and away from your family, and you even gave them some of your land to try to appease them, but since they hate you and want you and your family dead, they keep shooting at you daily regardless of your good will gestures.
Despite your warnings of your superior might they still keep attacking your family.
Then one day one of their bullets hit and kill your Wife so what would you do?

Do you just sit back, maybe tear down your walls and let them rape your daughters and cousins, pillage you home and your land and set up shop with your superior firepower so they can aim your missles at your friends and allies homes?

Or do you hit them where it hurts and crush them like the scum they are?

Which is what they want in the first place.
Those radicals are so miserable they want to take as many innocents with them to the grave as they can and they DO NOT want peace and no appeasement will change a radical religious mindset.

They want to take over the world so which side are you on?

cudaspaz · #27 12-28-2008, 08:39 PM

Sorry luvmbdiesels, you must have beat me to the punch.

mwood · #28 12-28-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

The search for justification, that's what figures. It's only the tip of the iceberg.

There is no other way then to say it like this:

America is held hostage, ideologically, morally, materially and in most any other way. Spineless.

I give you an example, as Burgie was talking about 'neighbors'.

Let's say you own a nice junk of land, acreage, all you see is horizon. Some day people settle along the lines of what is your land, your property. For one reason or another, it seems that you can't get along with your 'new' neighbors. Trouble.

Next you realize, that those 'new' neighbors are somehow settling beyond the lines of what is theirs, on your acreage.

Years of enduring dispute. The new neighbors now claiming to be entitled to what was once your undisputed property, come moving closer to your home, seizing parcel after parcel, section after section of your land.

Eventually, those nice peace loving neighbors, even construct a wall around you and the small remainder of what was once your undisputed land.
You can't see the horizon anymore, all you know is, you are besieged, nothing comes through to you and you can't get out anymore to what was once your unrestrained property.

Also, you know, there is nothing you can debate with those "new neighbors". Regardless, just Nothing.

How would you feel? Would you fire a rocket, if you had one, besides having nothing else to loose?

You must be referring to California and Mexico?