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pj67coll · #46 01-26-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Nope. They weren't stupid...It's the level of security briefings you get that go with the territory...not every one of those 530+ nimrods in Congress gets the same briefings that the President and VP does everyday...

I think you misunderstand my point. I realize that senators don't get presidential security briefings. However I really don't think you needed presidential security briefings to realize who was held at Gitmo.

Thus my question is, just how stupid do you have to be to think that you can just empty Gitmo and all will be well? Were they really that stupid to simply swallow liberal propaganda that the folks in there were just poor unfortunates who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? I find that hard to believe. But if so then the level of stupidity they evince does not bode well for the future.

- Peter.

tankdriver · #47 01-26-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Thus my question is, just how stupid do you have to be to think that you can just empty Gitmo and all will be well? Were they really that stupid to simply swallow liberal propaganda that the folks in there were just poor unfortunates who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

If Obama thought that then it would be empty by now. I believe the plan is to have it empty by next year.

pj67coll · #48 01-26-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

If Obama thought that then it would be empty by now. I believe the plan is to have it empty by next year.

Then if they actually need for another year what's the point in shooting your mouth off about closing it? Either you need it or you don't. This simply brings us back to the starting point.

- Peter.

Honus · #49 01-26-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

...Thus my question is, just how stupid do you have to be to think that you can just empty Gitmo and all will be well? Were they really that stupid to simply swallow liberal propaganda that the folks in there were just poor unfortunates who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?...

I don't know whether you intended that to be in response to something somebody said, but I know that Obama hasn't said anything remotely like that. Where did you get such an idea?

LUVMBDiesels · #50 01-26-2009, 05:18 PM

The only thing Obama has stopped so far is the trial of Canadian Omar Khadr.

One good thing in this is this quote:
"Mr. Obama left himself a loophole to deal with some cases. Those too dangerous to be released or transferred and who cannot be put on trial, might be kept in prison, depending on the advice of a high-level panel ordered to examine options, Mr. Obama said."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090123.OBAMAGITMO23/TPStory/International

pj67coll · #51 01-26-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

I don't know whether you intended that to be in response to something somebody said, but I know that Obama hasn't said anything remotely like that. Where did you get such an idea?

From his statements that he will close the camp within a year. What the hell is he going to do within that time period? Send them home? I saw one report indicating they might be sent back to their home countries. In other words returned to the fight against the US. I find it hard to believe that he could be that stupid, but then again, if not in Guantanamo then where?

- Peter.

Txjake · #52 01-26-2009, 06:52 PM

quick tribunal, keep all those with possible useful intelligence. sentence the rest to death. quick execution, film it and force the live feed on to Al Jizira.

Honus · #53 01-26-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

From his statements that he will close the camp within a year. What the hell is he going to do within that time period? Send them home? I saw one report indicating they might be sent back to their home countries. In other words returned to the fight against the US. I find it hard to believe that he could be that stupid, but then again, if not in Guantanamo then where?

- Peter.

I don't understand why closing Gitmo means that dangerous prisoners will be set free. If there is a reason to hold a particular prisoner and the legal grounds to do it, then I don't see why you think Obama would allow that prisoner to be released.

Botnst · #54 01-26-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Lol. ...
There's the rub. As I said, we're in a "war" on a concept.....

The difference between a "concept" and a war is that people die in war. Osama Bin Laden declared war on us in the 1990's though hardly a politician in DC noticed.

The remainder of what you said is .... interesting.

When you get back from rhetorical Nirvana let me know and we can continue discussion.

Botnst · #55 01-26-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

What's wrong with reopening Abu Ghraib? It's not as if the building mistreated those prisoners.

Nor did the military. Several people convicted of criminal misconduct mistreated prisoners. They're doing hard time.

Botnst · #56 01-26-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinsCE

Yeah, he's partially black....

So, foreign prisons, in illegally invaded countries, are OK, as long as the prisoners are treated fairly?

Premises are demonstrably wrong. Therefore the conclusions are ... inconclusive.

MTI · #57 01-26-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Campaign promises.

Kept. Another change.

Medmech · #58 01-26-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Kept. Another change.

With that logic a campaign promise has never been broken.

pj67coll · #59 01-26-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

I don't understand why closing Gitmo means that dangerous prisoners will be set free. If there is a reason to hold a particular prisoner and the legal grounds to do it, then I don't see why you think Obama would allow that prisoner to be released.

Once again. If not there then where? If you assume you have to keep them somewhere then why not there? What's the point of closing it other than to keep a campaign promise? If that's the only reason to close it then it appears he's putting politics above security. Stupid!

- Peter.

Botnst · #60 01-26-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

With that logic a campaign promise has never been broken.

Depends on what the definition of "is" is.