Try reading the Geneva Conventions with regards to POW's. ALL POW'S may be held in camps for the duration of the conflict.

Or they could be dead.

Either way is fine with me.

Uhhh...tell me how many homosexuals, prostitutes, Doctors, Lawyers, Professors, Educators, Catholics, Jews, gypsies, mentally handicapped were tossed into Gitmo along with the spawn from hell?

How many?

Oh, I thought so...

Guess what...comparing apples with crap doesn't work...

Bush won. Hitler sucked. I don't think comparing Bush to Hitler is anywhere near a close comparison on ANY level...

Now, the adoration that being shown "O" is what the comparison was about.

Chanting "OOOOO! BAAAAA! MAAAA!" brainlessly isn't fixing anything. Putting him into office and letting him haphazardly re-write EOs and dictate (careful here) edicts that if they aren't followed, certain things might happen (Congress is wondering where this is going and He's from their party). "O" ISN'T going to solve all the problems...not as long as all those cork-screwy nutballs in Congress are still there that caused all of these problems...the problem that I see is that the Congress may think that by giving "O" an untethered leash, he'll come up with some doozies that'll deflect responsiblility away from themselves and heap it on him - he better make sure he "moderates" a little more closer to the center than he's used to...as the CEO of the US, a few mis-guided folks are expecting him to dictate and not take any crap from anyone...Pelosi and Reid might want to play that game, very carefully, for awhile...but I don't think this "power play" is anything to be taken too lightly...it's one thing to go after "W"s policies, but it a whole different game when everything else is held up, just so you can get what you want and not what's best for the country, as a whole.

Change the cast of characters in Congress and you might see REAL CHANGE...but, keep the idiots at the head table and all you're going to get is...

...more of the same...and worse...or maybe one typed-written paper that the monkeys have finally managed to type up after they've been banging on the keyboards for these past 60 years...

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Lol. Yeah, every single person there is a proven terrorist.. And none of them are professionals. Alberto Gonzalez was on CNN last night and said the President has the authority to detain anyone, American citizen included, he identifies as a combatant, and the President can do so without presenting evidence for as long as the named conflict continues. And of course the war on terror is never ending since terror is a concept.

Sounds like it's right up Hitler's alley.

The comparison is more apt than an Obama one.


We've had 8 years of haphazardly written EOs and dictated edicts already. At least this time the guy has some intelligence. I wish we had had the ability to stop the last President from writing the EOs he wanted. If that were the case, I wouldn't begrudge the same done to this one.

We just changed the cast of characters. If you want to change them that often you'll need to lobby to have the Constitution changed for all Congressional elections every 6 months.







There's the rub. As I said, we're in a "war" on a concept. We've got a war on drugs, those people shouldn't get trials. There's a war on poverty, why aren't poor people picked up and thrown in jail? We could have a War on Dissent, where patriotism is determined by the President. Not a Patriot, you go to prisoner of war camp.

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Has anyone bothered to read what Biden and O are actually saying about the matter? Here's a clip


People have a fantasy that Senators are somehow in the know when it comes to classified intelligence when that is far from the truth, unless they serve on a commitee that needs certain intelligence everything is on a need to know basis, Obama and Biden had no clue what was at Gitmo until last week, it will be interesting to see how this turns out. My wild ass guess is they will return a few token prisoners to their respective countries and change the tribunal system...that way they can keep the bad guys contained and claim a victory.

There's a saying I've heard...it goes something like this..."A Conservative is a Liberal that's been mugged."

"O" and "B" are getting the mugging of their political lives right now...and inside their heads they're probably saying something like "I didn't realize it was this bad..."

Once you take that "OOO" ("Oath of Office" for you folks out there in Berkeley), your flavor of politics takes on a whole new taste...sometimes for the better, sometimes it's too bitter...let's see how these two really swallow these first few morsels of real-world ideological practices...

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..more likely Obama knew just enough to realise that only in fascist states ruled by fascist leaders such places exist. Clearly, you and your cronies around here fail to understand this essential aspect of democracies

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This is a Republic, sir. And how can you explain Abu Graib reopening? Or how Bush was accused of trying to open a Gitmo in the US, and now Obama plans to bring those suspects to this country, to be housed at military bases?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6664947&page=1

New boss, same as the old boss. Slightly different spin.

I will be shocked if that proves to be the case. The new boss is much different than the old boss. The new boss intends to actually follow the law and historical traditions concerning the treatment of prisoners during wartime. This war is not like previous wars, so it will not be an easy task, but I expect Obama's approach to be fundamentally different than what we've seen over the previous 7 years.

What's wrong with reopening Abu Ghraib? It's not as if the building mistreated those prisoners.

Depending on how they change the tribunal system, their victory claim might be warranted.

We'll see. Or maybe we won't.

Why not? Were they really that stupid?

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Yeah, he's partially black....

So, foreign prisons, in illegally invaded countries, are OK, as long as the prisoners are treated fairly?

Nope. They weren't stupid...It's the level of security briefings you get that go with the territory...not every one of those 530+ nimrods in Congress gets the same briefings that the President and VP does everyday...

Hell, I doubt my own Congressman knows about the skid-marks in his own shorts but I bet the President does...he has too...otherwise, how's he suppose to know who he can talk to and about what he can, and can't, talk to the idiot about?

And, while "O" and "B" where Congressmen, who knew about them?

I can bet you "W" and "C" had a portfolio on each of them...and rest to boot too.

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It's ALSO the fact that Saddam used the very same building for his mistreatment of anti-Saddamites...it's the whole perception that the building is evil, for evil intentions...it should have been bulldozed when it was closed the first time...it's stained and in the minds of the Iraqis, it should be gone...but for some reason...it's not...

Go figure...

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I have nothing against foreign prisons. The main thing is that we follow the law and established customs, to the extent that is possible.

Maybe I am not as informed as I should be, but what do you mean by "illegally invaded countries"?