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Old 04-07-2009, 11:29 AM
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By the way, do you oppose the Obama administration's efforts to protect what they claim are classified sources and methods?
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:32 AM
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What a load of crap. If you read the article and my comments you will see that your slur doesn't even make sense.Since I first learned what they were. I don't recall how old I was - six, maybe seven years old. How long has it been for you?What are you talking about? Can you cite a single thing I've said that even remotely relates to your insulting comments?
You're easily insulted I don't know if its insecurity or what but you sure as hell don't like criticism and it appears that I struck the right chord.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:44 AM
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You're easily insulted I don't know if its insecurity or what but you sure as hell don't like criticism
You are mistaken. I have no problem with criticism. What I don't like is someone attacking my integrity. I don't consider your comment to be "criticism" because it has neither facts nor logic behind it. It was really just an insult.
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Really? That's the way it seems to you? You make an unfounded and illogical personal attack, for which I really have no defense. You have no facts to back up your insults. And you conclude that you "struck the right cord." Ridiculous.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:45 AM
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Nope.
And yet my defense of Obama is a "stale attempt"? That makes sense to you?
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:11 PM
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:23 PM
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We'll likely never know what those intercepts look like (which, IMHO, is a good thing). I'm applauding the current administration for apparently deeming it important enough to defend it's secrecy. And I'm willing to bet that it looks a HECK of a lot different from the "hot seat" than here from the peanut gallery (which is several rungs below the student lounge, for what it's worth).
They are not defending the intercepts. They are not defending the quality of the intercepts. All they are doing is trying to keep the methods the intelligence community uses to obtain and/or evaluate data. The righteousness of the data collection and/or its usefulness is nowhere in the neighborhood of what they are defending.
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:48 PM
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It was Bush's fault. Stick to the gameplan here.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:12 PM
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:13 PM
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What's not ironic is your stale attempts to defend Obama solely because its Obama, if this were the Bush administration you would be singing a completely different tune.

And since when did you care about confidentiality and classified sources? Why can Obama have secrecy while Bush cannot?

Maybe I missed something, where were these "stale attempts" to defend Obama? Dculkin's point, if you had been paying attention, was that the intel has already been gathered, and it would be detrimental to divulge it. The methods that were used are still employed today, just that now they have judicial oversight, as they should have from their inception. If the current administration turned over that intel, they feel it would highlight the methods used to collect it, and jeopardize the ability to continue using it.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:15 PM
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No. Stopping it by not doing it anymore.
I missed that in the article.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:17 PM
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Maybe I missed something, where were these "stale attempts" to defend Obama? Dculkin's point, if you had been paying attention, was that the intel has already been gathered, and it would be detrimental to divulge it. The methods that were used are still employed today, just that now they have judicial oversight, as they should have from their inception. If the current administration turned over that intel, they feel it would highlight the methods used to collect it, and jeopardize the ability to continue using it.

Stale meaning stale, old he changes his argument to fulfill his partisanship while believing that he is non-partisan. I'll be honest and admit I don't read 95% of what he says sometimes it upsets my tummy.
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:17 PM
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Dick Cheney is still secretly running the gubmint from behind the scenes!
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:21 PM
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They are not defending the intercepts. They are not defending the quality of the intercepts. All they are doing is trying to keep the methods the intelligence community uses to obtain and/or evaluate data. The righteousness of the data collection and/or its usefulness is nowhere in the neighborhood of what they are defending.
Thy are defending the means, methods, and information acquired. Not coincidentally, those were the points of contention in the suit. Why would anybody bring in an extraneous question except on a forum? The forum goes where no politician has gone before!
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:40 PM
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Why the rudeness?
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:43 PM
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Nothing in that link supports anything you've said here. Maybe you should trot out that list of quotes from Bill Clinton from back in 1998. That used to be your response to just about everything. Maybe it will work for you here.

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