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mgburg · #16 05-02-2009, 04:12 AM

Any show that puts robotics in a dog-like chia-pet and expects comedic-relief is doomed by me...

I don't need to see smart-ass robots, kids or super-smart-PC-correctable fembots being PC correct/funny/cute.

In space, you screw up, you die...and it ain't from laughing at fuzzy, huggable critters. Tribbles, Ewoks and Jar-Jar Bink-ables included.

Tribbles...damn things reminded me of that other little toy that all the little girls wanted...Trolls! Only the trolls had eyes, ears, mouth and no clothes...tribbles were nothing more than pieces of carpet from some hippy-van that Paramount found on their lot during a break in shooting. Ray Bradbury probably headed out back on the lot and during a doobie-break, decided that squeeking pieces of carpet would be fun and funny as well. Go figure...and the clown that played the carpet-bagging fuzzball salesman/smuggler...there was a piece of overacting that brought the bile just up far enough in the back of your throat...

And the final line of the episode, that anyone with two brain-cells could see comin' from a galaxy away..."Twas' no tribble at all." *URP!*

Ewoks! Their concept was unbelievable from the get-go! Fuzzy tree-dwellers, in a forest tree-top setting? The humidity would have "nuded" their little bodies of hair, or at least, turned them into stinking piles of matted fur sticking to anything they touched.

Jar-Jar Binks was a puke-fest during his first un-intelligable line in "SW-Return of the Inane" or whatever that name of that episodic tripefest was. When he got his tongue zapped in that racer-pod electron-field, someone should have tied his floppy-earred ass onto one of those racer-pods and used him as ballast to keep the pods stable in turns until his pod would be crashed by some mistake of the driver, then you'd could watch as Jar's flaming tongue and ears slowly extinguished in the backround...

Nope, don't have time for poorly written and acted TV series or movies...I'll spend my money on a good bottle of wine or liquor if I need to get away from reality...I work in TV as it is...too many Jar-Jars in real life to think about...and some of them are understandable...and that is a problem in itself.

cmbdiesel · #17 05-02-2009, 12:58 PM

^^Nice rant

Fulcrum525 · #18 05-02-2009, 01:16 PM

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^^Nice rant

Yeah that was a good one

Right on target too.

(I'll take it that he liked the new Battlestar though)

Emmerich · #19 05-02-2009, 09:37 PM

The new BSG went south in season 3 or somewhere in there when the studio or network, stuck its nose into things. Still a good show, but Seasons 1-2 were by far the best.

EricSilver · #20 05-05-2009, 07:26 AM

She's pretty, but it's still tough to top Maren Jensen as Athena, or Jane Seymour as Serena, in the original series.

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EricSilver · #21 05-05-2009, 07:27 AM

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Do we not include that wondefule show, "Galactica 1980" in our poll????? It had the cheese of CHIPS and Lost in Space combined.

They ran out of money and had to make do. I agree, Galactica 1980 was bad. But I still have the DVD set.

EricSilver · #22 05-05-2009, 07:30 AM

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At a certain point it is unfair to compare movies or TV shows from basicaly different eras.

Absolutely.

In the olden days, the themes were about raising people up individually and collectively. Nowadays, it is about tearing people down.

75Sv1 · #23 05-05-2009, 10:34 AM

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Absolutely.

In the olden days, the themes were about raising people up individually and collectively. Nowadays, it is about tearing people down.

I wasn't necessarily refering to the themes. Themes have changed over the years. Star Trek was to most extent about different cultures and how they could positively co-exist. I think movie wise, there were negative endings in the late 60's to early 70's. Think 'Easy Rider' or 'Butch Casidy and the Sundance Kid'. 'Star Wars' broke that tradition. Although 'the Empire Strikes Back' had a dark ending. Most of the TV shows in the 80s one ever died. Even Bobby live on "Dallas'. Magnum did kill Ivan though. I think that was the best of that series. There was 'Cover Up', just about everyone got shot. It was rare for an early 80's show. The A-Team, don't get me started. When a Helicopter crashes into a cliff, falls over 100 yards in flames and then people get out ????!
I also find it unfair to compare a cable show to a TV show. This would also apply to a movie. The cost of production and liberites taken are different. Some other Sci-Fi not mentioned are Andromeda (very B-grade and campy), Babylon 5 (I think it was very good), some of the Star trek series had been mentioned, Firefly (I thought good, but was just developing when canceled) and Space Rangers (very B-Grade, it actually did have some developement in the final episode), also Space 1999.
If we compare the original Battle Star, the scenes were as good as many shows up to the mid 80's. Think BaBa Black Sheep. I don't think till Star Trek the Next Generation was it surpassed. I would say that is 10 years. I guess we should compare it to Buck Rodgers in the 21st Century.
Tom

Hatterasguy · #24 05-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Babylon 5 was a great series.

LUVMBDiesels · #25 05-05-2009, 12:04 PM

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Babylon 5 was a great series.

One of my favorite shows of all time.
Firefly ranks up there too. The whole 'old west meets china in space' thing was cool... That was another dark series.

I have to admit to liking Andromeda -- the girls were hot!

And yes , I liked Buck Rodgers -- I like campy shows too. I even like the original BSG - it is just not as good as the new one...

What I cannot stand is ST TNG - talk about 'holier than thou' all touchy feelie let us understand the wogs attitude. I know people LOVE that show but I could not take it. I also could not stand Voyager when it came out I caught it in repeats on SciFi and it wasnot as bad as I remembered it -- I just cannot stand Janeway's voice...

I liked DS9 and I tried to like Enterprise, but the writing was like being on a roller coaster. To go from the Dark Mirror epsidoes to NAZIs? COME ON! Also what happened to teh aliens we met in that series like the suliban and the xindhi? They never appeared in 'later' series. Did they die out before Kirk came on the scene?

What I would love to see is a whole series about the Terran Empire - Let Starfleet be the bad guys for a change.

I would also love to see a series based on the below decks personnel Let's see the engineers, missile techs, damage control, etc. I would love to hear them *****ing about that "damn Capt. Kirk always getting us shot up!"
That was one thing I really liked about the new BSG, it did not focus soley on the bridge crew, but took in the enlisted men and civilian perspective. The old BSG was only about the pilots and officers. You rarely saw a civilian.

EricSilver · #26 05-05-2009, 01:21 PM

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I wasn't necessarily refering to the themes. Themes have changed over the years.

I should clarify that to say the "character of the characters" in the original Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek series were quite different from those that what came afterwards. LUVMBDiesels put it well when pointing out the Holier than Thou attitudes of STTNG.

I would love to see a sci-fi (or other type of TV show or movie) where humans feel,and behave, as if they are not the center of the universe, and are not so full of themselves.

75Sv1 · #27 05-06-2009, 08:05 AM

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I should clarify that to say the "character of the characters" in the original Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek series were quite different from those that what came afterwards. LUVMBDiesels put it well when pointing out the Holier than Thou attitudes of STTNG.

I would love to see a sci-fi (or other type of TV show or movie) where humans feel,and behave, as if they are not the center of the universe, and are not so full of themselves.

OK, that I can buy. I do like to see some character development. There was even some on ST TNG. Although, I though Piccard could be a bit whiney at times. Andromeda was a bit B grade, but the characters did work well together. It also wasn't always pretty and the future characters did pay a price.
I really liked the first year of Babylon 5. The rift between the Centurions and the lizard like character race. When Delone grew hair, it kind of lost something for me.
Firefly was cut short. I did like the cowboy setup, but it didn't detract to much. They were just getting into real character development and exploring the Serinity story line. I haven't seen the movie Serinity yet. This one had the potential. Character made choices good and bad. They were all caught up in something bigger than themselves.
I thought Enterprise started out OK. Then they sold out, there was to much pressure to be something Star Trek series weren't. I though with the trooper squads or comandos they lost it. If they kept to the original crew and developed characters and added flaws, they might have had something. They did it to an extent with Yoshi and her fear of being in space.
Space Rangers is one rarely mentioned. It appeared the same time as Babylon5 and Star Trek Deep Space 9. It was the lowest grade of them. It didn't last a season, maybe 5-6 episodes. I watched it last year in a marathon. It looked actually better than I remembered. It did have some intrege of prejudises and possilbe racism. Who knows if it could have developed.

Tom

Hatterasguy · #28 05-06-2009, 12:56 PM

My all time favorite sci fi series is still Stargate.

Fulcrum525 · #29 05-06-2009, 09:51 PM

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My all time favorite sci fi series is still Stargate.

Yeah it was great seeing sci-fi that was set in the present. Time to break out some P-90's and take out some replicators

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxEXz6ZfkpA

I think i'm going to start re-watching the series this summer, maybe even pick up some atlantis dvd's

Hatterasguy · #30 05-06-2009, 09:53 PM

I might buy the series and do the same thing.

Also watch Baccano, you might like it. Get the dub, the NY accents make it.

View Poll Results: Which was better?
The Old Battlestar Galactica Was Better	7	28.00%
The New Battlestar Galactica Was Better	10	40.00%
Both Were Great	3	12.00%
They Both Sucked	5	20.00%
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