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Wait for it to die of old age then.

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But the rifle and pistol was an essential part of the life and times of those folks as the country was forming...it was needed to provide sustenance while in the woods or out on the prairie...

Just as it is now used to control animal populations with State-sponsered and State-controled hunting seasons and animal control.

The galling part of this type of legislation is this:

Why does the government NEED TO KNOW WHERE I HAVE MY WEAPONS STORED....PROPERLY?

It's none of my neighbors' business and it doesn't need to be my Governments' business...if they already know I have a weapon...good for them...I don't want some dis-combobulated ex-Government employee breaking into my house and knowing where I have my weapons stored going for it...

To be perfectly honest, I'm starting to think more and more that no one needs to know what I have, where I have it and how many of whatever I have I do have or if I have anything at all.

And any politician that thinks he needs to know is going to end up unemployed in the public sector...as he/she should be...put out of our misery by the voting booth...

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I would wager you're wrong.

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I completely agree. The more it will be interesting to watch how America as a nation will desolve into a "Nanny State" with 3 million obedient servants.
.. and whether you own a gun or not, isn't gonna make the slightest difference.

Here's a formula:

We've got an overhead of a gorvernment, that's about as big as a "monster baloon", with an abundance of politicians, who all want to stay in their seats, so they better come up with new rubbish everyday, just to keep themselves busy.

On the other hand we have millions of mindless obedient brains who need to fed with meaningless political entertainment, otherwise they don't know what to do with themselves.

A perfect match.

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The main argument of Arming America, The Origins of a National Gun Culture is that firearm ownership in the United States was rare prior to the Civil War, and that the average American’s proficiency in the use of firearms was poor. Bellesiles bases this conclusion on numerous sources, most of which did not support the claims he made about them.[1] For example, he looked at records of the number of gunsmiths operating in colonial America and Britain, and concluded that no guns were being made in America, and few smiths in America were qualified to maintain or repair guns. He also looked at the records of militia companies in colonial America and noted that in every area, militia organizers constantly complained that those who reported for militia duty were poorly armed, with many of their guns in inoperable condition. Finally, he examined probate records, wills, census records, diaries, and the like, looking for indications of the frequency with which people owned guns, and how likely those guns were to be in working order. He concluded that few people owned guns in colonial America, and those guns that did exist tended to be old, rusted, and inoperable, with few people being proficient in their operation and maintenance. According to Bellesiles, America's “gun culture” began after the Civil War, when government-subsidized mass production of firearms made gun ownership affordable for the average person. Manufacturers like Colt led the way with inexpensive, reliable, and well marketed weapons.

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Good old Wikipedia. So what are you trying to point out? That A) the book is poorly researched screed against gun ownership that is rife with inconsistencies and outright fabrications or B) This is a great work and everybody should read it.

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A little reading here and there doesn't hurt. It happens to be a fact of life, that most anything which comes around and goes around is subject to many inconsistencies.

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Oh the solution is simple, use the guns to solve the excess politician problem.

HR45 is a dead duck. But again, I hate the damn government. The ruin our currancy, they watch over our shoulder, and are in general a major burden on the people.

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Legislators who come up with such bills should be immediately confronted with massive lawsuit based on constitutional infringement and presented with the option of being impeached from their congressional seat.

I am not a constitutional lawyer, I wish I was. At least we got the NRA to expose all the misdeeds.

Unfortunately, I see regulations growing like weeds. not only when it comes to the 2nd.

It's the accelerated sellout of this country. I am surprised they still find substance to squeeze out of it, I suppose there is a lot more gain to made from this nation.

On a different note, it is fact that dispite of all the California gun regulations, there was never a time in the history of this state when so many guns have been sold as in the past 7 months.

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Don't they all take an oath to " preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the USA against all enemies, foreign or domestic"?--or words close to that.

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Yup, and so does the Prez and VP.
Obviously the Oath of Office means little.

wise choice.

Depends on the snare I guess. Would it be sportsmanlike if we were to box, but I tied your gloves together?

He didn't say he was being sporting. He was hunting. Believe me, if I were trying to kill something so I could eat it, I would do it with the least risk to me. That's not sport, that's hunting.

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LaRondo...I'm willing to believe some of the Wiki-wordage, but in general, if you are/were looking at raw numbers...what were those numbers being compared against? Landowners having guns? Everyone having a chance to have a gun?

Obviously, if only 5,000 guns were in the colonies and the total population was 1,000,000...then the ratio of ownership (assuming one gun/person counted) would be alot lower than a few years later (Civil War), where the need for everyone to arm themselves to FIGHT A WAR IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD would have a tendency to skew the numbers a bit higher...

Colonial times...we were either TRAPPING our food or growing it...I'll grant you that much...

But, when the British started controlling imports and taxing the living p*ss out of the colonists...someone needed something a little more substantial than slingshots to stand up to the British and their muskets...and since the British were blockading any imports, I'm sure that anyone that had any knowledge of weaponery was ALSO under the watchful eye of the Redcoats...but somehow, a few someones managed to obtain just enough arms in order to overthrow the British...and that was the point...being able to control one's own destiny against tyranny...and then, again, in 1812 and finally, again, in 1861...I guess the old adage "The third time is the charm" certainly opened Pandora's Box on the rifle/pistol front in the United States...

Point being? It looks like a few books got sold on the false basis that the United States "SUDDENLY" armed itself during/following the Civil War...

The real point that appears to have been overlooked or ignored? We always had arms...otherwise it would not have been written in the Constitution...it was thought of highly enough that the Forefathers thought it was important enough to be sure that NO GOVERNMENT would be able to take the weapons away...regardless the weapon being one pistol or an arsenal of rifles...

Let's ask a simple question here. When everything is working the way it should and all is well with the world...do we ***** and complain about how GOOD EVERYTHING IS?

Nope...only when we need to vent...so that's when someone writes about the tornado, the bad weather, the gun that didn't fire (due to poor maintenance or whatever...) or other issues...we didn't write up orders for non-rusting rifles or operating pistols...we wrote down that people didn't know a firing pin from a dead pig's ear...people *****ed and wrote down their frustrations...nobody wrote about how good they had it, or how well the troops trained or how everyone managed to take out the "...whites of their eyes..." when it counted...they wrote about "...poor Johnny Smythe got his head blown off by a Redcoat 'cause his powder was too damp and his musket hammer was too lose to properly strike the pan..."

Who knows how many rifles/pistols the colonists had among themselves? The obvious answer is that they managed to have just enough to p*ss off the British and beat them at their own game...

And, we today, are what we are, due to our forefathers being able to be what they needed to be, when they had to.

Properly armed and able to defend their homes against ANY invading army or force...

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......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
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bear arms definitely does NOT mean hunting.. especially back in the 1700s.

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