Equal outcomes in social matters: pro life excesses - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

lietuviai · #1 08-21-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

With that logic, an ear of corn is alive too.

An ear of corn will never have the capacity to think.

With that logic it proves what a low regard we have for life in this country.

kknudson · #2 08-21-2009, 12:07 AM

The concept of when life begins is an argument no one will win.
Everyone has their own definition and / or opinion, don't waste board space on it.

I think the jist of this thread is who's choice is it, the parents or the government.

cmac2012 · #3 08-21-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lietuviai

It's alive a soon as the egg is fertilized and it starts cell division.

Of course it's alive. And it will not live on it's own without significant contribution by the mother, much of which is up to her to provide. Women have been aborting fetuse for thousands of years. Not pretty but how to stop it?

aklim · #4 08-21-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lietuviai

It's alive a soon as the egg is fertilized and it starts cell division.

There are a few simple tests that doctors use to declare that the person is dead. Will the fertilized egg be considered alive if we use those tests? Yes, if you want to ask if it is living tissue, it is. Much like the wart or tumor. Alive as in whether it has the same capacity as you or I, somehow, I can't see that. But like I said, if we use the same tests that doctors use to declare death, how would it stand? Beliefs aside.

Ara T. · #5 08-21-2009, 12:13 AM

We have plenty of life in this country, how much more do we need.

lietuviai · #6 08-21-2009, 12:17 AM

So do you think it's OK to murder someone and think nothing of it?

Ara T. · #7 08-21-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lietuviai

So do you think it's OK to murder someone and think nothing of it?

Yes. I do it all the time with rusty coathangers in my basement.

BodhiBenz1987 · #8 08-21-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It sorta amazes me how righties for whom the concept of equal outcomes in financial matters is anathema seem to think that equal outcomes can be had in personal matters. It would be nice if every child that came into the world was loved and wanted, especially if they are handicapped but sadly, it doesn’t work that way.

Is anathema a word-of-the-month or something? One of our writers used it recently and I don't think I'd heard it in about five years prior to that.

Vocabulary coincidence aside ... I'm of the camp that believes financial and social "equality" is not practicable and is an airy self-confirming construction. I also am pro-life, so not all "righties" are righteous religious nuts. I grew up with a handicapped sister who's quite high-functioning, but, because of her involvement in programs and various groups, have had my eyes opened to other families and the incredible challenges they face, which begs any insightful mind to question whether they would have the courage to face that situation themselves. I don't disrespect someone who makes a choice not to bring a terribly handicapped child into the world. I cannot fathom the lives of some parents of the severely handicapped, much less the lives of the other children in their families. I believe it is their personal and private choice. (I do of course, also abhor the idea of using abortion as a last-minute method of birth control.)

But ... I do want to point out that not all Republicans are bible-thumping science-haters. I'm an agnostic, sociobiology-grounded Republican ... I may be rare, but I'm not totally alone.

lietuviai · #9 08-21-2009, 04:04 PM

The test docs use to see if someone is alive/dead is one that measures brain activity. A fetus does exhibit brain activity. The brain is one the first things that develops in a fetus.

aklim · #10 08-21-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lietuviai

The test docs use to see if someone is alive/dead is one that measures brain activity. A fetus does exhibit brain activity. The brain is one the first things that develops in a fetus.

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/michaelpoon168/guidelines_for_declaration_of%20brain%20death.htm

I think I read somewhere that it isn't EKG as we know it in a human being. More like electrical activity.